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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantWhite Pongo, Jr.
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I know it's been discussed to death, but it seems to me that the rules are not really clear on a few issues, so I wonder... 

  • "Story by"
  • , is it always an "Original Material By" credit in DVDP?
    A note in the Rule on the OMB credit specifies "Adapted from another medium."

  • "Created by"
  • , is it an "Original material by" credit?

  • "Screenplay"
  • , is it always a "Screenwriter" credit in DVDP?
    A note in the Rule about the Screenwriter credit says "Use for Adapted Screenplays."
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    The writing credits aren't very flexible, you're right.
    We've asked for a "created by" to be added, but so far no luck.
    But the way you've got them listed there seem ok to me, although some people prefer using "original characters by" for "created by"
    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorTigiHof
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    I know it's been discussed to death, but it seems to me that the rules are not really clear on a few issues, so I wonder... 

    Indeed they are, but since Ken obviously has no interest in updating the rules, I guess we have to live with what we've got (for example revised rules for TV series have been sent to him months ago by the rules committee - correct me if I'm wrong, but as far as I remember he didn't even bother to answer; until that has happened, I refuse to spend another minute in the committee forum)

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  • "Story by"
  • , is it always an "Original Material By" credit in DVDP?

    Yes

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  • "Created by"
  • , is it an "Original material by" credit?

    No common opinion here. Some use "Original material by", some use "Original characters by", most don't use this at all for the profile (I happen to belong to the third group). The best solution would be for Ken to add "Created by" entries to the Profiler.

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  • "Screenplay"
  • , is it always a "Screenwriter" credit in DVDP?

    Yes.
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    I know it's been discussed to death, but it seems to me that the rules are not really clear on a few issues, so I wonder... 

    Indeed they are, but since Ken obviously has no interest in updating the rules, I guess we have to live with what we've got


    No problem, once I get to understand what they actually mean 
    Thanks everybody for the answers!
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    Quoting EnryWiki:
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    I know it's been discussed to death, but it seems to me that the rules are not really clear on a few issues, so I wonder... 

    Indeed they are, but since Ken obviously has no interest in updating the rules, I guess we have to live with what we've got


    No problem, once I get to understand what they actually mean 
    Thanks everybody for the answers!


    I can only hope that is true.

    Skip
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    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantWhite Pongo, Jr.
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    I know it's been discussed to death, but it seems to me that the rules are not really clear on a few issues, so I wonder... 

    Indeed they are, but since Ken obviously has no interest in updating the rules, I guess we have to live with what we've got


    No problem, once I get to understand what they actually mean 
    Thanks everybody for the answers!


    I can only hope that is true.

    Skip


    What do you mean?
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    Best to ignore Skip, he seems to be in a very stoppy mood at the moment.
    You're welcome to ask any questions you have about the rules and the database and we'll be happy to try and answer your questions.
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    What do you mean?


    That is just Skip being Skip.  You are new and ask questions.  For most of us, not only is that acceptable but a good thing as well.  For Skip, it seems to be like 'nails on a chalk board'.

    I don't know if I would go northbloke's route and ignore him...as he sometimes does have some good information...I would, however, take it with a grain of salt.
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    Just to clarify, I meant Skip's specific comments here, not everything he says.
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    Just to clarify, I meant Skip's specific comments here, not everything he says.


    Just making sure.  I know there are several users who think it is best to just ignore him completely. 
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    IMO "Created by" should be credited as "Original Characters by"...

    For TV Series you always have a "Created by" credit. To suggest they are "Original Material by" would imply that they are the "masterminds" behind every episode - which they obviously are not (ref. writing credits for each episode).

    I would also prefer to have an "Created by" option in our beloved program, but until we do I will continue contributing with "OCB" for "Created by" - no No Votes on my contributions of TV-series yet..... 
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    DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorTracer
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    There may be no "No" votes because you are failing to list in your contribution notes you are using Original Characters by for the on screen credit Created by.

    Right now the rules do not allow for us to use Created by for Original Characters by or Original Material by.
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    DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorm.cellophane
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    Right now the rules do not allow for us to use Created by for Original Characters by or Original Material by.

    Actually there's no list of either 'Credited As' or 'Incorrect Roles' for Original Characters by or Original Material by; therefore, it isn't disallowed as you state. If it can be justified, it's allowable IMO.
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    Actually there's no list of either 'Credited As' or 'Incorrect Roles' for Original Characters by or Original Material by; therefore, it isn't disallowed as you state. If it can be justified, it's allowable IMO.


    "If it can be justified" My question still stands, does his contribution notes state he is using Original Characters by for the on screen credit Created by.  To use Original Characters by simply because someone feels Original Material by means they are the mastermind behind every episode.

    So for series like Smallville your going to say the series Creators "Created by" should have the Original Characters by Credit?  Along with those actually credted for the Original Characters by "Jerry Siegel and Joe Shuster".
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    This is some information I found on a Writers site that detailing how the created by is used in television.

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    Another point that is negotiated as part of the pilot/series deal is the length of time that that the pilot writer (or 'series creator') will be 'locked' or attached to the series, thereby continuing to receive screen credit and a fee. A studio will usually agree to lock the writer/creator to the series for at least one year, and in many cases two years. Again, this depends largely on the writer's status in the television industry. Top writer/producers, such as Steven Bochco, might be guaranteed an executive producer fee and credit for the 'life' (i.e., duration) of the series. A writer/creator might also be guaranteed the opportunity to write (and be paid for) a specified number of episodic scripts during each year of the series.

    In addition to series producing fees, you may negotiate for a 'series sales bonus' (i.e., a sum of money payable as a bonus if and when the network orders series episodes based on the pilot). While the dollar amount of a series sales bonus will vary and is subject to negotiation, it is fairly standard today for a series sales bonus of $25,000 to be granted in the event the writer receives sole 'written by' credit on the pilot and sole 'created by' credit on the series. This bonus may be reduced if the writer receives shared credit and/or if fewer than a set number of episodes (usually 12) are actually produced.

    Finally, the WGA Agreement requires that the writer or writers accorded 'created by' credit on a series receive a royalty (or payment) for each episode of the series that is produced beyond the pilot. The current WGA required royalty for network prime-time programming is approximately $1,000 per episode. Subject to this minimum, the actual amount of the royalty payable to the series creator is negotiable and may be as high as $6,000 per episode for top guns.

    Assuming that the production falls within the WGA's jurisdiction, the Writer's Guild Agreement will determine the form of most writing credits. Typically, the writer or writers receiving 'written by' or 'story by' credit on the pilot will be accorded a 'created by' credit on the series. The WGA does not, however, govern producing credits. The terms and conditions relating to the writer's 'executive producer' or 'supervising producer' or even 'consultant' credit need to be specifically addressed by contract. In recent years, a number of established writers have requested 'logo' credits (which will typically appear in the end titles) in addition to their producer credits. For example, a 'Chase Films' logo appears at the end of every episode of The Sopranos at the request of that series' creator, David Chase.
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