Hi,

one thing I'd like to see changed is the Crew system. After the release of version 3.5 introducing the custom crew roles I don't see why it is still necessary to carry the old crew roles around and make the custom crew roles not contributable. I think it would be enough to keep the crew sections (and make them lockable individually) as stamdard and only custom crew roles entered exactly as credited. This would end a lot of discussion which crew roles could be entered according to rules and which not. And it would increase accuracy a lot more than it is right now with interpreting...

Quoting ninehours:

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Personally i would like to see Categorised Open Credits, something like this



Simply choose the correct category and then just enter the role as on screen

I definitely agree with that! 

Yes. thsi would end the crew squabbling which causes most of the animosity here.

Quoting Dr Pavlov:

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Quoting ninehours:

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Personally i would like to see Categorised Open Credits, something like this



Simply choose the correct category and then just enter the role as on screen

I like it , ninehours, BUT we will still have to have what we are after in the Art Department or whatever. For example, exactly what consists of the Art Department, there are probably areas that MIGHT be considered Art and/or something else, and then do we really want to list everyone in the Art Department or your favorite poison. If you want to do that, those categories alone are big enouhg...just open it to enter the entire crew data IF a user chooses, then we would have no more discussions over ordering, as we did recently, you list exactly what you see on the screen in exactly the same order.

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For these user choices I'd prefer to have the Crew Sections (Crew Categorys) individually lockable... so those users who are not interested in an department could lock this department in their profil and wouldn't be bothered with any changes there.

I understand that quite well, but I think this 'problem' would solve itself.. as long as partial contributions are allowed amd nobody is forced to enter all and every crew if they don't like it. Those people who like more crew could contribute and share it and those who would not like it could keep their data clean by locking it. As most people are not that much into crew I think the data(base)-amount would not increase that explosively. And as I pointed out the data accuracy would increase very much.

Quoting MakoDeth:

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I understand that quite well, but I think this 'problem' would solve itself.. as long as partial contributions are allowed amd nobody is forced to enter all and every crew if they don't like it. Those people who like more crew could contribute and share it and those who would not like it could keep their data clean by locking it. As most people are not that much into crew I think the data(base)-amount would not increase that explosively. And as I pointed out the data accuracy would increase very much.

Okay, but thast will only work if we can selectively decide what Crew data we want to allow for an update user by user

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Quoting Addicted2DVD:

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Quoting ninehours:

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Personally i would like to see Categorised Open Credits, something like this



Simply choose the correct category and then just enter the role as on screen

I definitely agree with that! 

I have to say I like that a lot! 

As I explained elsewhere. While this system is an improvement on our existing system, it still remains a compromise system rife with difficulties and resulting arguments. It might reduce the fights and arguments...it won't eliminate them. ONLY Open creds will eliminate that, though they will also have issues as i explained.

I would, do as Cubby suggested I would also add Sound Effects, VFX, SFX, DFX, there is also a whole list of Animation Creds that should be added that we currently don't even consider.

You see my vision for the original system involved a recognition on my part and on Dan's that there would be many Roles which we could not account for because we had not yet SEEN them or perhaps had seen them once in awhile but had overlooked them or whatever. We recognized this problem and envisioned a more flexible and rapid response system than we have, we also did not anticipate that there weould be users who did not recognize this needed flexibility and would instead adopt a literal interpretation of the listings which initially left us with examples like the 1939 Wizard of Oz becoming a Silent film because we could not interpret the Sound Dept. data..

It would be nice if Hollywood conveniently set up their credits in a uniform manner, like we try to do, but they don't and thet won't. What is the Art Dept, or the Sound Dept, or even the Editorial dept.. Nope while this would be an improvement it would ultimately not be a true fix, that can only be achieved with Open creds and WSIWYT.

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