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Registered: July 13, 2008 | Posts: 58 |
| Posted: | | | | Hi,
This is my first post here, so firstly "hi" to everyone, and secondly, sincere apologies if this has already been mentioned before.
I'd like to suggest that there be someway that DVD Profiler desktop versions have some way that synchronises all the relevant cast and crew information for films with the same name. What I mean by this, is that I often buy multiple different editions of one film, e.g. CANNIBAL HOLOCAUST, LE GRAND BLEU, et al, and yet I find cast and crew information is never the same for each version, despite the actual film being identical on each edition I've purchased.
Is there anyway, that a film with more than one release, can have all the information synchronised, or at least have the ability for users to make sure all the info from each release is the same please when it comes to cast and crew?
Additionally, and again, apologies if this makes me come across like a bit of a heathen, but is there a way that users/DVD Profiler itself can extract any missing information from the IMDB, that a user may wish to take from their site, rather than having to slavishly type it in by hand, please?
Thanks in advance,
Pooch (New UK-based DVD Profiler fan!) |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | This has come up many times before. Both the idea of film based credits (instead of release based) and IMDB.
The film based credits has merits but would need a way to have exceptions... as it has been proven that same movie on different releases can be different at times. I think it is fairly rare... but it does happen.
IMDB is not an option for legal reasons. Plus they are seldomly accurate to the credits... especially the names of the roles are at times far off from what is in the actual credits... So there is many of us that don't want this.
Though I do believe there is some tools other users made to take from imdb to use locally only... but this info must never be uploaded to the dvd profiler main database. | | | Pete | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: IMDB is not an option for legal reasons. Plus they are seldomly accurate to the credits... IMDb is, concerning names of actors, much more accurate than dvdprofiler online database (you don't want examples, do you?). There are strictly no legal reasons not to use the real name of actors, and IMDb can do nothing against people doing that. | | | Images from movies | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I never said there is any legal reasons not to use real names. Only that there is legal reasons to not use IMDB mined data... as Ken himself said. Which I am sure he looked into before deciding against using the data from IMDB. And Ken is also the one that decided to go with most commonly credited form for the linking name. I may personally don't with that... and would prefer a whole new way to link names. But it is what it is.
Since you ignored it the last time I posted this... I will just repeat what I said the last time we had this conversation.
IMDB isn't accurate to the actual film. Why?
1. Role names are off... sometimes way off... so if they are off... IMDB is not accurate to the film.
2. While it may use "correct" names it doesn't always have (Credited as credited name) attached to it. Granted it used to be worse then I have seen it lately but still not there a good half the time.... if it is not there then IMDB is not accurate to the film.
So if IMDB don't get the role right as it is in the film credit. And IMDB don't always tell us how the person is credited in the actual film... how is IMDB accurate to the actual film? | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: how is IMDB accurate to the actual film? For me accuracy to a film is to enter the actors that played in this film in the cast list. Entering invented actors (that are not in credits) is far from accuracy, and that is what we find in Invelos online database. The fact that roles are not accurate in IMDb is real, but this has strictly no importance, as most people do not watch credits, but they see the actors when they watch the movie. | | | Images from movies |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | As you said for you... but guess what... your opinion is just that. The opinion of one user (*an opinion that not everyone shares). How do you know that "most people do not watch credits".... you are stating that as a fact... a fact that you couldn't possibly know. Do you know most people in the world that watches movies?
I gave facts... facts that are based on the actual credits of the movie... compared with IMDB. I look at the movie credits and almost always find at the very least role names wrong... as well as the credited names not being provided half the time. That sure sounds like an error ridden database to me.
But I will drop it here... as no one needs yet another thread with us going back and forth on this subject. | | | Pete | | | Last edited: by Addicted2DVD |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,774 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Entering invented actors (that are not in credits) is far from accuracy, and that is what we find in Invelos online database. Sorry, but it is not Invelos' fault, that "Gerard Depardieu" is more often in the credits than "Gérard Depardieu". Blame the makers of movie credits. And using his real name is not a good alternative, that would be "Gérard Xavier Marcel Depardieu". And in case of "Nicolas Cage" it would be worse, his real name is "Nicholas Kim Coppola", but nobody would know that this is him. | | | Last edited: by SpaceFreakMicha |
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| Posted: | | | | BTW... Happy Birthday to Gérard Depardieu... I read earlier that today he turned 62. | | | Pete |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: BTW... Happy Birthday to Gérard Depardieu... I read earlier that today he turned 62. It's "Gerard Depardieu"... |
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| Posted: | | | | Ok... him too. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting SpaceFreakMicha: Quote:
Sorry, but it is not Invelos' fault, that "Gerard Depardieu" is more often in the credits than "Gérard Depardieu". Blame the makers of movie credits.
Never saw Gerard Depardieu in credits. If you did, please say in which movie. On the contrary, I often saw GERARD DEPARDIEU, which is Gérard Depardieu. | | | Images from movies |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,774 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Never saw Gerard Depardieu in credits. If you did, please say in which movie. On the contrary, I often saw GERARD DEPARDIEU, which is Gérard Depardieu. GERARD DEPARDIEU is Gerard Depardieu for Profiler usage... And he *could* be credited as GÉRARD DEPARDIEU, if the credit makers had wanted this... but most times it's GERARD DEPARDIEU... And you didn't respond to the problem of using the "real name"... | | | Last edited: by SpaceFreakMicha |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 767 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Quoting SpaceFreakMicha:
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Sorry, but it is not Invelos' fault, that "Gerard Depardieu" is more often in the credits than "Gérard Depardieu". Blame the makers of movie credits.
Never saw Gerard Depardieu in credits. If you did, please say in which movie. On the contrary, I often saw GERARD DEPARDIEU, which is Gérard Depardieu. I've never seen either GERARD DEPARDIEU, Gérard Depardieu or Gerard Depardieu. However, if I did, I would probably say to either one of them that he's a fine actor. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,774 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting marcelb7: Quote: However, if I did, I would probably say to either one of them that he's a fine actor. No disagreement on this point. |
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| Posted: | | | | I don't have a single title with him... so I can't comment on that part. | | | Pete |
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| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: There are strictly no legal reasons not to use the real name of actors, and IMDb can do nothing against people doing that. Right, but it is not very useful. "Nicolas Cage"'s real name is "Nicholas Kim Coppola", "Madonna"'s real name is "Madonna Louise Veronica Ciccone", "PINK"'s (or "P!NK"'s) real name is "Alecia Beth Moore" and "John Wayne"'s real name is "Marion Robert Morrison". Do you really want us to use their real names? | | | Last edited: by SpaceFreakMicha |
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