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Game Consoles.....The good, the bad, and the ugly
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Actually, "good games" is relative to each individual.  I have 18 good games to put in my PS3 (I even have 238 BD movies to put in there as well).  Lot's of uses for my unit.  Now, your story is different because that's the way you want it to be.  That's your reality.

You're not fooling anyone. You're not a gamer and you wouldn't know a good game if it threw a plasma nade at you, then meleed you in the face and then teabagged you.

When it comes to crappy choice of films on BD, you use sales figures to "win" your arguments. When it comes to the tiny library of decent PS3 games you now use individual taste to justify your arguments. I guess that's because 360 games sales dwarf PS3 and Wii's combined.
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Are you saying that 60GB PS3 no longer cost 369 Pounds?  The 40GB PS3 should be 299 Pounds.  1 Pound = 2.04 (USD)

It never has. Being a close minded Sony bigot you really should know that already. The current price for a 60GB is £425, the new price will be £349 SOURCE
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Are you saying that Europe is getting a better deal?  The US doesn't get an extra controller AND 2 PS3 games.  That would cost us an additional $170.  That's a great deal if that's true (considering your scale of economy)!

Yes apart from the 2nd controller, this has been dropped at the new £349 price point, my mistake. But yes that is why the 40GB (with no extras) at £299 doesn't compare to the 60GB (with 2 games) at £350. Hence my original post. Again learn to read english and I wouldnt have to repeat myself.
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That's not BC to get a 20GB HDD for the 360.  BC would be like grabbing extra compatibility for the original Xbox.  NO 360 can do that.  Whatever software emulation came with ALL 360s is what you're stuck with. 

The 360's back compatibility is downloaded software that requires a hard drive. Thus if you have a Core with no HDD, you cant play Xbox1 games on it at all (even with a memory card). Therefore when comparing the lack of backwards compatibility of both the 360 core and the PS3 40GB, the 360's can be restored by adding a hard drive, the 40GB PS3s CANNOT, as no software emulation will be added to this SKU via firmware.
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Remember the PS3 with never really suppose to have the EE (Emotion Engine) and GS (Graphics Synthesizer) chips in them.  This was ALL suppose to be software emulation.  It just wasn't ready, yet.  Then, they made some headway and took the EE chip out and emulated the PS2's CPU (EE chip).  That bumped the BC slightly.  Now, they have taken out the GS chip and the EE chip in the 40GB PS3.  I think the complete software emulation wouldn't be done be the holiday season, so they just pushed them out early.  The software emulation can always be pushed out via a firmware update at a later point in time.

WRONG. Sony has pushed the lack of BC as a feature of this SKU even though a couple of years back Phil Harrison didnt hesitate to berate MS for multiple SKUs and limited software emulated BC SOURCE. Show me proof of your paragraph and how you know Sony are working on software emulated BC for the 40GB SKU.
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Please refresh my memory.  How many USB slots does the Xbox 360 have?  Last I checked, it was 2 (even the Elite). 

WRONG, all 360s have 3 USB ports, or 4 if you have an hd-dvd drive.
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Funny, you don't call the 360 gimped for having a 20GB HDD and 2 USB ports and poor BC.  I wonder why?

I'm not comparing 360 and PS3, I'm comparing 60gb and 40gb PS3s, and the 40gb is a gimped version of the 60gb, you cannot argue that and if you had the slightest iota of intelligence you would have been able to read my post and understand my points, unfortunately for all of us, you don't.
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At this point in time anyone wanting to jump into a next gen gaming console and get great games to play RIGHT NOW, would be stupid to buy anything other than the XBOX 360.  If for some reason said person isn't a HALO fan (???), then I would suggest they grab a Wii!!!  Anyone wanting a PS3 would be highly advised to wait another 6 months!!!
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At this point in time anyone wanting to jump into a next gen gaming console and get great games to play RIGHT NOW, would be stupid to buy anything other than the XBOX 360.  If for some reason said person isn't a HALO fan (???), then I would suggest they grab a Wii!!!  Anyone wanting a PS3 would be highly advised to wait another 6 months!!!

While I agree the PS3 does not yet have the library to compete with the 360, I have to caution against getting a Wii. As a relatively recent Wii owner I can't in good conscience advice anyone to get one as their primary console.

I'm glad I have one for the off-beat experience it provides, but none of the games I've tried hold a candle to the best stuff on the 360. It's great fun to play Wii Sports with your buddies over a bear, and slicing people open in Trauma Center does have it's appeal, but as a primary console it simply doesn't muster up.

The Wii shines as either the secondary console of a gaming enthusiast, or possibly as the primary console of a casual gamer who perhaps haven't owned a console in years - if ever.

Oh, and there's plenty of reasons to buy a 360 beside Halo 3. Bioshock, Oblivion, Gears of War, Guitar Hero II, Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter I and II, Call of Duty 2, Forza 2, Rainbow Six: Vegas... these are just a few examples, but there's plenty more.

Here's an updated version of the gamerankings.com stats I posted earlier in this thread:

Xbox 360 games ranked 90 or higher: 7
Playstation 3 games ranked 90 or higher: 1
Wii games ranked 90 or higher: 3

Xbox 360 games ranked 80 or higher: 56
Playstation 3 games ranked 80 or higher: 18
Wii games ranked 80 or higher: 7

Xbox Live or Virtual Console games are not included in these stats.

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You're not fooling anyone. You're not a gamer and you wouldn't know a good game if it threw a plasma nade at you, then meleed you in the face and then teabagged you.

I guess I have 18 games that I play because I'm not a gamer, huh?  That makes a lot of sense.

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When it comes to crappy choice of films on BD, you use sales figures to "win" your arguments. When it comes to the tiny library of decent PS3 games you now use individual taste to justify your arguments. I guess that's because 360 games sales dwarf PS3 and Wii's combined.

Again, "crappy choice of films" is subjective.  360 games sales DO dwarf the PS3's game sales.  There is no argument there.  There is a difference between the better console and the better sales.  The PS3 is the better hardware 40GB, 60GB or 80GB versions.

There should be 65 games available for the PS3 during the 4th quarter.  How many games can you buy and play in a quarter?

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It never has. Being a close minded Sony bigot you really should know that already. The current price for a 60GB is £425, the new price will be £349 SOURCE

I am rarely close-minded about anything.  You, on the other, seem to be almost completely close-minded.  You words of hate tells the tale.

Then, I was off on the number a bit.  It still comes down to how much is the PS2 BC is worth to you.  If it's worth a 50 Pounds to you, get the PS3 that has PS2 and PS1 BC.  If it's not worth the 50 Pounds to you, get the PS3 that doesn't have PS2 BC.  I would think that's quite simple.

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Yes apart from the 2nd controller, this has been dropped at the new £349 price point, my mistake. But yes that is why the 40GB (with no extras) at £299 doesn't compare to the 60GB (with 2 games) at £350. Hence my original post. Again learn to read english and I wouldnt have to repeat myself.

Try to remember that just because you find the 60GB PS3 more appealing doesn't mean that others will.  Some people just want the cheaper option.  I just had a conversation with someone, yesterday, about this.  They ONLY had PS1 games to play.  PS2 BC meant nothing to him.  Therefore, the 40GB PS3 was the most appealing to him.

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The 360's back compatibility is downloaded software that requires a hard drive. Thus if you have a Core with no HDD, you cant play Xbox1 games on it at all (even with a memory card). Therefore when comparing the lack of backwards compatibility of both the 360 core and the PS3 40GB, the 360's can be restored by adding a hard drive, the 40GB PS3s CANNOT, as no software emulation will be added to this SKU via firmware.

You are correct about the Core 360 BC.  I apologize.  It still does not change the fact that the 40GB PS3 STILL has more BC with games than ANY Xbox 360 (hands down).  Plus, it IS possible for a complete software emulation for the PS2 to be released for all PS3 (instead on the complete or partial hardware emulation that is currently implemented in the 60GB and 80GB PS3s).

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WRONG. Sony has pushed the lack of BC as a feature of this SKU even though a couple of years back Phil Harrison didnt hesitate to berate MS for multiple SKUs and limited software emulated BC SOURCE. Show me proof of your paragraph and how you know Sony are working on software emulated BC for the 40GB SKU.

You just completely took that article out of context didn't you.  He did not berate MS for multiple SKUs.  There was no anger detectable in his words.  He just commented based on HIS opinion...not Sony's.  Did you miss the following part?  "This is my personal view, not my corporate view, but when I look at those formats, I think it just confuses the audience."

Since you used a 2005 article from gamesindustry.biz, I figured I would use a more recent one.  Sony working on a software BC solution.

Show me proof that Sony isn't working on a complete software solution.

You can find the PS3 BC list here.

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WRONG, all 360s have 3 USB ports, or 4 if you have an hd-dvd drive.

There was no right or wrong to this.  I asked you to refresh my memory, because I could only remember the 2 USB slots on the front of my old unit.  So, there are only 3 USB slots on ALL Xbox 360s (4 USB slots if you pay another $180), huh?

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I'm not comparing 360 and PS3, I'm comparing 60gb and 40gb PS3s, and the 40gb is a gimped version of the 60gb, you cannot argue that and if you had the slightest iota of intelligence you would have been able to read my post and understand my points, unfortunately for all of us, you don't.

Funny.  Who just typed the following a little while ago?  "Therefore when comparing the lack of backwards compatibility of both the 360 core and the PS3 40GB, the 360's can be restored by adding a hard drive, the 40GB PS3s CANNOT..."

I guess you say you are not comparing 360 to the PS3 probably because it would force you to see how silly your argument is about the 40GB PS3.  Even though Sony is producing a better product than MS you MUST attack Sony.  Yep, that definitely sounds like hate to me.  Hate renders intelligence practically useless.
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At this point in time anyone wanting to jump into a next gen gaming console and get great games to play RIGHT NOW, would be stupid to buy anything other than the XBOX 360.  If for some reason said person isn't a HALO fan (???), then I would suggest they grab a Wii!!!  Anyone wanting a PS3 would be highly advised to wait another 6 months!!!

If you go by that reasoning, I have another line for you.  At this point in time anyone wanting to jump into a next-gen gaming console and want to play games without their consoles dying on them RIGHT NOW (around 30% failure rate), would be STUPID to buy a Xbox 360.

Who wants to have to send their console in for repair during the holiday season?  They wouldn't be able to play ANY games during the holiday depending on when they actually bought it!  Even if they are without the store's return policy time, who wants to waste time return items during the holiday season?

That is...if people go by your reasoning.  Should people go by your reasoning?
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Actually, "good games" is relative to each individual.


Funny, that's not what you said when I stated that I prefered the Xbox over the PS2 because it had the games I wanted to play.

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Now, your story is different because that's the way you want it to be.  That's your reality.


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At this point in time anyone wanting to jump into a next gen gaming console and get great games to play RIGHT NOW, would be stupid to buy anything other than the XBOX 360.  If for some reason said person isn't a HALO fan (???), then I would suggest they grab a Wii!!!  Anyone wanting a PS3 would be highly advised to wait another 6 months!!!

If you go by that reasoning, I have another line for you.  At this point in time anyone wanting to jump into a next-gen gaming console and want to play games without their consoles dying on them RIGHT NOW (around 30% failure rate), would be STUPID to buy a Xbox 360.

Who wants to have to send their console in for repair during the holiday season?  They wouldn't be able to play ANY games during the holiday depending on when they actually bought it!  Even if they are without the store's return policy time, who wants to waste time return items during the holiday season?

That is...if people go by your reasoning.  Should people go by your reasoning?


Well to play Halo 3, I would put my hard earned money on the 70% chance and buy the XBOX 360 vs. spending MORE money to get a console that really has nothing in terms of software to match the XBOX 360 library!!!  Again not telling anyone NEVER to buy a PS3, but clearly everyone can and should wait until its' library begins to catch up with XBOX 360!!!

I know this hurts your SONY fanboy sensibilities, but unlike the Blu-Ray VS. HD-DVD format, getting these game consoles is not a one or the other take sides kind of war.  A wise buyer can get the XBOX 360 now or this upcoming holiday season, enjoy HALO 3 and all the great games XBOX currently offers and then later buy the PS3 when it finally has something great to offer!!!
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Funny, that's not what you said when I stated that I prefered the Xbox over the PS2 because it had the games I wanted to play.

Huh?  I just pointed out to you that if you couldn't find more games on the PS2 than the Xbox 360 that you would like to play, then something is really wrong with that.  The PS2 has thousands of games covering just about everything a few times over.  The original Xbox had...what...200 to 300 games. 

...Not directed at Unicus specificly...
Also, the gap in the amount of higher rated games between the Xbox 360 and the PS3 is not huge at all.
7 titles ranking 90 and above (including the $800 Halo 3 "gift" bag boost in score) for Xbox 360.  1 title ranked 90 and above for the PS3 (because reviewers knocked off a lot of points for Warhawk being multiplayer only).  Then you realize that Ratchet & Clank Future, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, GT5, MGS4, MGO, FFXIII, FFXIII Versus, SOCOM, White Knight Story, Tekken 6, L.A. Noire, Heavy Rain, etc coming between now and next year.  Then, you have to think the PS3 could catch up quite quickly (not of Eurogamer, EGM and other PS3 hating sites have anything to do with it).
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Well to play Halo 3, I would put my hard earned money on the 70% chance and buy the XBOX 360 vs. spending MORE money to get a console that really has nothing in terms of software to match the XBOX 360 library!!!  Again not telling anyone NEVER to buy a PS3, but clearly everyone can and should wait until its' library begins to catch up with XBOX 360!!!

That is, of course, discounting the PS1 and PS2 games (or just PS1 games for the 40GB PS3) the PS3 can play, right?

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I know this hurts your SONY fanboy sensibilities, but unlike the Blu-Ray VS. HD-DVD format, getting these game consoles is not a one or the other take sides kind of war.  A wise buyer can get the XBOX 360 now or this upcoming holiday season, enjoy HALO 3 and all the great games XBOX currently offers and then later buy the PS3 when it finally has something great to offer!!!

I'm not a fanboy of anything.  I just don't like injustices...that's all.  Whatever I feel should be defended, I will defend.

THis is definitely not like the Highlander stage that is the HD DVD vs. Blu-ray.  But, don't be fooled, the PS3 has PLENTY to offer.  YES, it has games that people enjoy like...Resistance, MotorStorm, Ninja Gaiden Sigma, Virtua Fighter 5, Heavenly Sword, Warhawk, Folklore (as of today), and DiRT.  It should have Ratchet & Clank Future, Stranglehold: Collector's Ed. (Hard Boiled in HD), Assassin's Creed, COD4, Kane & Lynch, Army of Two, Haze, Time Crisis 4, Uncharted: Drake's Fortune, GT5: Prologue, etc before the end of THIS YEAR.  BEFORE the end of March it should have MGS4, LittleBigPlanet, Tekken 6, Conan, Soul Caliber 4, Killzone2, etc.  Unless you are just going to forget about ALL those major titles, the PS3 has PLENTY to offer (this holiday season going forward).  And, none of those games mentioned requires PS2 BC to work.

That's not even talking about the Blu-ray playing function, lossless 7.1 audio, and ALL the media center functionality that comes with it.  That makes it a steal!  Like I said, I don't like injustice.  Writing off ALL those things the PS3 platform can and will provide is an injustice...plain and simple.
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Also, the gap in the amount of higher rated games between the Xbox 360 and the PS3 is not huge at all.

Taking the metacritic scores, so thats an average of all the "PS3 haters like EGM" (man you are deluded) and all the PS3 fanboys like Play, of all full games (no PSN or XBLA) that are available on one platform and not the other, and excluding japanese imports, here are the ratings for PS3 games followed by 360:

PS3:
RFOM 86
Warhawk 84
Motorstorm 82
Heavenly Sword 79
F1 Championship 74
Folklore 74
Armored Core 4 65
Dynasty Warriors: GUNDAM 62
Untold Legends: Dark Kingdom 58
Genji 55
Lair 54

(Yes there are only 11)

360:
Bioshock 96
H3 94
Gears 94
Guitar Hero 2 92
GRAW1 90
Forza 2 90
COD2 90
Burnout Revenge 89
PGR3 88
PGR4 87
DOA4 85
Dead Rising 85
Viva Pinata 84
NFS Most Wanted 83
Crackdown 83
TDU 82
Hitman: Blood Money 82
Football Manager 2007 82
Command & Conquer 3 Tiberium Wars 82
Condemned: Criminal Origins 81
Saints Row 81
LEGO Star Wars II: The Original Trilogy 81
Rockstar Games presents Table Tennis 81
Perfect Dark Zero 81
Tomb Raider: Legend 80
Peter Jackson's King Kong 80
Moto GP 06 80
Eternal Sonata 80
Pro Evolution Soccer 2007 80
Kameo 79
Lost Planet 79
Prey 79
Moto GP 07 78
Blue Dragon 78
Battlefield 2: Modern Combat 77
Overlord 76
Top Spin 2 75
Tony Hawk's American Wasteland 75
Gun 75
Quake 4 74

(the list goes on but 40 titles is enough to prove the point.)

That's 10 current-gen exclusives that score better on 360 than the best scoring game on PS3. Again, you aren't fooling anyone, your bs may go down well in some of the other sites you troll, but not in this one.
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You can find the PS3 BC list here

A much better one can be found here. Compiles Sony's list with user made ones across all regions.
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Funny, that's not what you said when I stated that I prefered the Xbox over the PS2 because it had the games I wanted to play.

Huh?  I just pointed out to you that if you couldn't find more games on the PS2 than the Xbox 360 that you would like to play, then something is really wrong with that.  The PS2 has thousands of games covering just about everything a few times over.  The original Xbox had...what...200 to 300 games.


That strikes me as a tad arrogant and a little baffling.  First, we were talking PS2 vs Xbox.  I don't know where you got Xbox 360 from.  Second, I told you I had specific tastes and specific games I wanted to play.  I wanted to play 'good games' that I liked.  If, as you said in your earlier post, "good games" is relative to each individual how can there be anything wrong with that?

It sure seems like you are changing your tune because the shoe is now on the other foot.  I don't know why I am surprised.
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Also, the gap in the amount of higher rated games between the Xbox 360 and the PS3 is not huge at all.

Taking the metacritic scores, so thats an average of all the "PS3 haters like EGM" (man you are deluded) and all the PS3 fanboys like Play, of all full games (no PSN or XBLA) that are available on one platform and not the other, and excluding japanese imports, here are the ratings for PS3 games followed by 360:

*snip*
(the list goes on but 40 titles is enough to prove the point.)

That's 10 current-gen exclusives that score better on 360 than the best scoring game on PS3. Again, you aren't fooling anyone, your bs may go down well in some of the other sites you troll, but not in this one.

I haven't seen a PS3 review from Eurogamer higher than 60.  I haven't seen much in the way of EGM either.  I find that a little strange don't you?  Well, I guess YOU might not notice it for obvious reasons.

Cutting out Japanese titles for the PS3 is almost like cutting off American titles for the Xbox 360, but let's roll with that.  Why did you leave out Ninja Gaiden Sigma and Virtua Fighter 5?  You, also, didn't mention the 33+ EXCLUSIVE PS3 titles announced already.

Like I said before, not that far behind on HIGHER rated games.  I don't know how you think you are trying to fool, but it's not going to be me.  I like to research more than one aspect of things from time to time.
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Funny, that's not what you said when I stated that I prefered the Xbox over the PS2 because it had the games I wanted to play.

Huh?  I just pointed out to you that if you couldn't find more games on the PS2 than the Xbox 360 that you would like to play, then something is really wrong with that.  The PS2 has thousands of games covering just about everything a few times over.  The original Xbox had...what...200 to 300 games.


That strikes me as a tad arrogant and a little baffling.  First, we were talking PS2 vs Xbox.  I don't know where you got Xbox 360 from.  Second, I told you I had specific tastes and specific games I wanted to play.  I wanted to play 'good games' that I liked.  If, as you said in your earlier post, "good games" is relative to each individual how can there be anything wrong with that?

It sure seems like you are changing your tune because the shoe is now on the other foot.  I don't know why I am surprised.

I was talking from a BC standpoint with existing PS2 and Xbox games (basically, talking on your point but keeping it relevant to the thread title).
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Why do i get the feeling that this thread is becoming more ugly than good and the bad. oh well.

Why is there so much console bashing? It seems silly to me to compare them. Wii, 360, and PS3 should not be compared to eachother. Especially the Wii. I can see some comparing of 360-PS3, but really why? It's like comparing Windows-Mac-Linux. Other than running on simial hardware they all have hugely differing roles.

Why bother bashing Halo 3 with the lame comment of hit not being in HD. Who cares if a cartoon is 1080p vs 720p or whatever. It's a game. who cares? The $300 mill in sales looks like people do not care about specs as much as "we" think they matter.

The PS3 is a more powerful console than the 360. This isn't a debate, it is a fact. The PS3 plays HD movies. The 360 has an add-on. Is it lame? Don't know and Don't care. The real question is can you play the games that you like and do you enjoy them? Yes.

Does the 360 have more better games than the PS3? It appears to me that they do. I have not seen a game that has been released or is coming out that i want. Until then, I have no need for a PS3. Back when I had a PS2 and not an Xbox I felt the same way. I ended up buying an Xbox when Halo came out. Then I would buy games that i thought would be better on the different consoles i.e. which controller would be better for ME to play with, the hard disk was  a big advantage as it loaded and saved games quicker. GTA always came out on PS first so i would buy them on PS. But with that game releasing the same day as 360 it doesn't matter.

The whole HW failure of the 360 is a problem, but i spent $50 on a 2yr warranty at Best Buy so I don't have that issue of sending it back and waiting. I am on my 2nd and expect to be on my 3rd here shortly. When this one crashes i will more than likely upgrade to the Elite version. Which the ext warranty allows me this freedom.  But then again this was a choice that i made.

So would you people stop bagging on the consoles. It is so futile. We each made our choices as to why we bought the consoles that we did and why try and tell eachother that the choice was incorrect. It's like the iPhone. Looks great, works great, but try and voice dial with it... you can't. It doesn't integrate well with some corporate email systems. So to me not being able to voice dial is kills the phone. I could say how stupid Apple was by choosing not to have this feature. Especially with some US state laws banning the use of a cellphone without the use of a headset. A headset doen't really solve the problem if you have to look at your phone and dial. Apple must be aware of this and I am sure iPhone v2 will have this.

But I digress. You can bash eachother all day, but at the end of that day you have gained no more ground then when you began.
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What graymadder said. Well done my friend.

I think that these games may move some systems... The footage I have seen looks awesome.

- Haze
- Uncharted: Drakes Fortune
- Metal Gear Online

Not to mention the new Ratchet and Clank and Metal Gear Solid games.
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