I can see that as actually hurting or scewing the +/- votes.  Someone who sees that a post already received a + may not cast a +.  Likewise, if someone gets a - that is unwarranted, many may give it a + to counter.

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I think it would be nice if we could see invidual rating on each post, how many red and green arrows has been casted by the community. That would make people think a bit more before they write and also show us how the readers feel, what is acceptable and what isn't.

Amazon has this for reviews, and I think that's exactly where it belongs to show that x users considered this review to be helpful or inappropriate. A review is static a discussion is not, in a discussion it should suffice that an inappropriate post gets moderated, no need to show publicly how many users took offense.

Quoting Silence_of_Lambs:

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no need to show publicly how many users took offense.

Why not? I don't understand what people are afraid of. If you do a good work with self-moderation, you don't have to worry about if your "track record" is public. Same thing with the bans. If you behave, you don't have to worry about it.

I see a lot of comments that the things doesn't work around here, but very little suggestions how to make things better and even less Invelos action/comments 

Nothing, but we don't have a minus vote here. Sure, we have the red arrow, but that doesn't work as a negative vote as described above. It's a report to moderator button.

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Quoting Silence_of_Lambs:

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no need to show publicly how many users took offense.

Why not? I don't understand what people are afraid of. If you do a good work with self-moderation, you don't have to worry about if your "track record" is public. Same thing with the bans. If you behave, you don't have to worry about it.

Yes, sure, and as long a I don't do anything illegal, I don't have to worry about the police collecting all my private data.
The question in both cases is the same: Of what use might this be??
And in both cases I don't see anything good deriving from it.

The reason why there are so little suggestions on how to improve things around here is quite simple:
We don't have the power to improve anything here. All power is with Invelos!
We might insist that they ought to use their self-established tools, but we can't force them to do so.
We might even start mobs against unwanted users, but as long as they don't leave of their own accord, we have to live with them (and I'm using the plural intentionally). And by starting this mobs we'd  lower ourselves to the level we are just trying to get rid of.

The instruments we users have to improve the climate around here are only two:
1) The reputation system: Use it wisely, if Invelos isn't reacting on Red Arrows the instrument is a placebo, but it's still there. And at least you might feel better. ( )

2) More important: Ourselves: We might wait for Invelos to take action, but this will most likely never happen. If they would have wanted to do something, they would have done this already.
What WE can do is: Watch ourselves! Avoid to write anything that you wouldn't want to read (especially not if it was directed at you). If we'd all do this, a lot would have been achieved, sadly this is only likely to happen in Utopia.

My local news has a plus/- system. Martian's description is apt.

Quoting TheMadMartian:

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What this forum needs, what it has always needed, is clear and consistent moderation.  It is a business forum and should be treated as such.

100% agreed.

Quoting TheMadMartian:

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What this forum needs, what it has always needed, is clear and consistent moderation.  It is a business forum and should be treated as such.

+1