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Skip: There's 36 pages of topics in this forum area alone and the search function is useless in this case.  Searching for "Production Year" returns every post with either "Production" or "Year" in it.

Actually I did some Google searches [on site:invelos.com] and read a number of the old posts. The topic was whether enter the Copyright year or the Theatrical Release year. Someone said what I am saying now, rename the Production Year field accordingly, but I haven't found a Feature Request expressly on that issue (maybe I haven't looked for it hard enough). There was a Feature Request to add a second field, id est have both Production Year and Release Year, but that's different.

Be as it may, the "Production Year" field is still there with a name that doesn't fit its usage and, trust me, it's misleading for new users.

It is misleading, Skip.

Does "production" means start or end of production?

Producing a film or TV show is not the same as copyrighting it. The field is labeled as one thing, but the rules state that we enter another thing into it.

As I stated, they filmed and edited The Big Sleep in 1944 and 1945, completing "production" in 1945. The film was released in 1945, but not shown to the general public, but shown in military theaters in the USA and overseas. Then Lauren Bacall got really popular, so additional scenes were shot, then the film was re-edited and released in the format nearly everyone knows in 1946.

The DVD cover lists a copyright date of 1946, as does the credits on both versions of the film on each side of the DVD. Why would a film released in 1945 carry a 1946 copyright date? Only if the version of the film on the DVD is using the 1946 version's opening credits...

So the DVD itself is inaccurate. But if we follow the blind path of copying typos, misspelled words and names, etc. into our DVD Profiler cast, crew, and overview fields, I suppose correct "Production Year" can be as meaningless and useless as those error-ridden fields are, too.

"Production Year" is not the same as "Copyright Year". Otherwise how could a feature film, or even a single TV show carry a new year copyright date and be shown for the first time on New Year's Day? Did it get shot after midnight that same day and edited by airtime? Doubtful.

The field is more accurately "Original Material Copyright Date (as listed on the DVD)", not "Production Year". But even then, if we must (and I do realize that for database entry sake, we follow what is there, not what we find elsewhere) enter the information on the DVD, that the occasional copied error (in fact, not in duplicating what the DVD gives us) will enter the database.

I think "Copyright Date" would be more accurate than "Production Year". And it would be easy to verify from the DVD itself.

Enry:

As I have told you EVERY topic you have brought up has been gone over ad nauseum, including the deabtes that were had by the Rules team. You are not coming up with anything new. Questions are one thing, but you are way beyond questions.

Skip

What is your problem Skip?

All that this Feature request is asking is, to have the program match the Rules.




I would actually prefer to have the Copyright Year in the program, but that is not under discussion here.

Achim:

I know that and I am trying to put Enry down. I am only pointing that the ONLY thing that is important is how Profiler defines Production Year. What he thinks it means or what i think it means is irrelevant. the term production Year apears in both the program and the Rules, acompanied by what Profiler's definition of it is. So to go on and on about making it so that it fits his definition or somebody else's is academic. Profiler defines things for profiler not for Webster's, Oxford, the MPAA, the ASC it is what profiler calls the field and what you put in that field.

If Ken wants to call the field Christmas and apply the same definition, then we know what the field Christmas means to profiler. :D

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Quoting skipnet50:

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I know that and I am trying to put Enry down.

Why would you put anyone down?

Isn't it illegal to do that to humans? 

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If Ken wants to call the field Christmas and apply the same definition, then we know what the field Christmas means to profiler. :D

It seems to me that this Forum is called "Feature Requests", so maybe Ken is interested in hearing some from us users. Then he will decide, as it's his program. It's not up to you to decide, or say what can be asked for, or can not.

You and I, all we users in general, can only say what we would like and possibly explain *why* in terms of functionality of the program and of the database.

My take is that if you call "Christmas" the Release Date field, as in your clever example, you would just get more mistaken contributions, no matter what you write in the Rules.

Here it is real simply, cliff. You claim it is confusing...it doesn't confuse me at all.

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