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If it's the only sound credit in the entire credits, and the film is "old", then I would enter it as 'Sound'. Especially since the notes in the contribution rules say "Primarily used in older films".
Not including the name would leave you with an empty sound section in the credits, while you know who did the sound. That just can't be right...

Agreed, if it's the only sound credit and the film is "old".

I could be wrong, but as far as I understand "Sound Engineer" was just a generic term to designate a sound tecnician. So, if it's the only sound credit and the film is "old", I wouldn't object to a "Sound" role in DVDP.

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It makes NO difference how old it is. If it is not listed it is not used. And there is NO Sound Engineer listed.

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How about if there is NO Recording Director listed?

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I went round and round with one of the local denizens who believes he has more knowledge than he does a couple of years ago, we wound up with a silent movie.

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That would be me. I remember the PM thread well. The movie was The Wizard of Oz. The only sound credit is for Recording Director. I used the argument you used above which is that there is no Recording Director listed in the rules. And we didn't wind up with a silent movie. Douglas Shearer is in the db. You contributed him on 012569-677050 and I contributed him on 012569-512320.

Odd that you are using my argument against Ninehours and EnryWiki while simultaneously making an anonymous accusation against "one of the local denizens who believes he has more knowledge than he does" and yet you have contributed using exactly the method Italo Disco and EnryWiki suggest. 

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I made no accusation, James. Nor did i make an evaluation. I simply made a statement of fact without naming anyone or any kind of prejudice.

You didn't need to name anyone. I know who you were talking about and others do too. Saying that the other person believes they know more than they do is not a statement of fact. It is your oft-stated opinion. Anonymous snipes are snipes nonetheless.

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I also reiterate one of comments from that PM, for the moment as far as Profiler is concerned it is a silent film.

Yet you still contributed the sound credit and tell others not to.

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But you were correct in that argument..

Then why bring it up with the snipe of "one of the local denizens who believes he has more knowledge than he does"?

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Except the Rules simply don't provide for it at this time Enry.

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You might well be right and, like I said, I could be wrong 

But think of this: when you profile a foreign movie, you have to translate foreign role names to English, right?

In a similar way, when you profile an *old* movie, you would "translate" old film terms to new ones.

Is that far stretched? 

Translation from one language to another is altogether different than using an entirely different term in the same language.

Why is it so difficult to just follow what the Rules tell us?

"If someone is not credited with one of these roles, do not include them in the Crew section."

How much clearer can Ken make it?

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FWIW, in this particular case I'd agree with giving the "sound engineer" a "sound" credit. Please keep in mind that the limited space in the credit table doesn't give nearly enough space to list each and every possible job description, but I really thought this one was a no-brainer. IMHO, this is clearly within the intent of the rule: it's an "older film", and there is only one sound credit. I'd even go so far as to say that this is exactly what the "sound" credit is meant for.

The space in the credit table is as large as Ken wishes to make it.

Sound Engineer is not listed, therefore it is against the Rules to enter this person as part of the crew.

The "older" film reference is to the use of the exact credit of "Sound", and no other!

This is simply amazing! 

Not that it really matters to me, but if we allow garbage man as a credit and somebody is listed as sanitation engineer, do they get a credit?

I know for the pendantic ones it would be a flat no, but many would recognize both as being the same.  That may not apply in this case at all, but then again it might.

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the limited space in the credit table doesn't give nearly enough space to list each and every possible job description,

I don't think space is the issue. I guess in the list there are the standard terms of the modern American film industry and *some* of the terms used in older films.