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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAstrakan
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So, in short, you say "foreigners (= non US) suck at doing things right, I dont want *them* to mess around with my precious own private data... only US, and all US, contribute correctly" ?

I don't know man, that's a pretty harsh interpretation of what Skip said.

While he did say that non-R1 profiles are generally worse off than R1 profiles because non-R1 contributors aren't as good about following the rules, I don't think that implies anything about foreigners "sucking."

If he's right, and based on the hundred or so non-R1 titles I own I suspect he is, I think it has more to do with a large percentage of non-R1 users not speaking English and thus many of them are not participating in this forum - which is where we all learn things all the time in terms of how to do a profile properly.

And using a term like "my precious own private data" is just inflammatory.

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I would think the (on average) lower quality of non-US and non-UK profiles has to do both with language (forums AND contribution rules) and with the size of the user community in these localities. The number of votes a contribution in these localities will get is usually (much) lower than in the US or UK. A claim that users in these localities in general would be less willing to follow rules, however, would be inflammatory and discriminating.
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I also support the idea of having one disc/one profile shared over a number of localities. It would greatly increase the number of contributors and voters per profile.
I suppose what we should maybe do is compile a list of what can and can't be shared between the localities:

CAN (as they are all on the disc)
cast
crew
running time
audio tracks
subtitles
special features
region coding
studios - not sure about this one

CAN'T
title
RRP
release date
overview
cover scans (as a disc may be repackaged in another country)
rating


what does everyone think?
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I will tell you from what I have seen on the international scene, I wouldn't want to see a single cast?crew Profile per title. It is a good idea and very tempting. But there are simply too many users internationally who are not following the Rules, the Profiles are a wreck.

If only one copy of the movie data exists in the database, all users will be able to submit to this copy, so the overall quality should rise, because wrong information will be spotted in the international screening process and valid changes will benefit all users instead of the users of a single region.
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CAN (as they are all on the disc)
cast
crew
running time
audio tracks
subtitles
special features
region coding
studios - not sure about this one

studio's would be OK if you separate the distributors in to another field

the following do differ in R2 and do even differ in R2 locations and probably other regions to, releases are not the same to R1:
audio tracks
subtitles
region coding

nice job, northbloke
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studio's would be OK if you separate the distributors in to another field

the following do differ in R2 and do even differ in R2 locations and probably other regions to, releases are not the same to R1:
audio tracks
subtitles
region coding

nice job, northbloke


I included audio, subtitles and regions because I figured this would only be used where the disc ID was indentical, basically it's the same disc in numerous localities. Obviously a different ID would mean completely separate profiles - no linking at all.
You're right about the studios - that's why I wasn't sure about them.
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There is a small problem: EAN <> disc id:
- one EAN can even have different disc id's for the the same locality for the same title.
- one disc-id can have different EAN (even titles)
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There is a small problem: EAN <> disc id:
- one EAN can even have different disc id's for the the same locality for the same title.
- one disc-id can have different EAN (even titles)


I don't see how this is an issue.  Same disc ID means a lot of the data should be the same, regardless of EAN.
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- one disc-id can have different EAN (even titles)


I've never come across this before. I always thought the disc ID meant the disc were all pressed from the same master. Therefore must be identical.

Having said that, if we limited this "sharing" to profiles where both the EAN and disc ID matched - that would still work wouldn't it?
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As I recall there are profiles that cannot be entered because the disc id has already antoher title. However I can not find the conversation. Maybe it was this one Separete UPC/EAN and Disk ID
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- one disc-id can have different EAN (even titles)



Hmm... That's a good question.

According to DVD Profiler 3 Release Notes

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DVD Profiler 3.0 uses the full DirectX disc ID (which is globally unique) instead of the format ID used in prior versions
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I will tell you from what I have seen on the international scene, I wouldn't want to see a single cast?crew Profile per title. It is a good idea and very tempting. But there are simply too many users internationally who are not following the Rules, the Profiles are a wreck. I don't have a desire to all of the data thus polluted with such data. The only exceptions to this I have found by and large are R2 UK and Tim's work.

Skip

Hi, Sir

Hi think that after the beautiful film of “ The Last King of Scotland” you would like to be The Last King of profiler  … I’m really don’t  understand why the critical about the international contributions, If our contribution are wrong or wreck, this are the case of Invelos , and not  the only judgement of one person, second al those international contributor must speaking English, not very easy for all, but they doing  her best that’s my case, I don’t care if you don’t like my very bad English  I’m trying to do my best , and for your information I always following the rules and please don’t speak about pollution,  You speak from one or two contributor for R2 and you forgot the thousand  others one who’s working to this database.
You are not the only one who’s working SIR, there are many other country, Sweden, French, Belgium, Netherlands, Germany, Italy, Spain,  England,etc... If that mean that all those country don’t have any place on this program, I think that the best are to publishing officially “ keep out of this “ The rules are very Good and must be exist, but sorry they are sometimes subject of interpretation, and maybe something not very good understandings for some people, but this will not said that they not follow those rules. 

If I read under your line I Just understand please stranger not U.S stay at your Home and don’t disturb me anymore, maybe you are polite , but under your line that’s what you meant.

Your words about internationals country  are political are not constructive for a international community of movies that’s meant in my words that’s they are discriminative.

I think you forget one great think Sir , our money when we buying R1 going to the U.S country, and that’s are the case for all the R2 buyers . 
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I think one good way to do this would be to enter all discs by disc ID then also have UPC data.  The UPC would hold a release date, SRP, locality and overview.  Most other data would would be on the disc ID.
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That would work but only if the ID profile information was downloaded along with the UPC information. I'd hate to think I have to insert all new discs into Profiler just to get all the info.
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Wouldn't that bring us back to here:

http://invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=244232&PageNum=1 ?

(one movie db, one DVD db)

A solution that need to be elaborated on a bit but I favour a solution like this for quite a while. It really can't be the exeptions that are guiding us here, i'd say it should worlk already for 95% of all movies.
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I think this idea has a better basis than that idea.
As is stated in the other thread, there would be too many variables if we linked by title, however if we linked by disc ID we have a situation where it's impossible (or so we believe  ) to have any variations as it's the same disc in each of the separate profiles.
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