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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Anyone who is truly 'hardcore' will have all three.  I have all three...though I didn't 'personally' pay for any of them. Does that make me less hardcore?  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
You are correct...it is competing on a completely different level. Yep. Just not in the sense of what you're implying. The games are less immersive. You can't play them as long as due to physical strain. The graphics are for SDTVs. There is a LOT more shovelware on that platform. Then, there is are the non-gaming related functions it lacks. It's competing on a different level. Quote:
What, exactly, do you base this on? For starters, How many consoles you and the last person you quoted have?  If you are not a gamer, then it's different. Quote:
It is selling more units than the PS3 and 360 combined...pretty good for an overpriced, casual device.  True, but so has the PS2. What does that have to with the Wii being overpriced for what it does? For $250, you get a overclocked Gamecube with web access, a wand, and a game. Like I said, it's overpriced for what it does. | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting lyonsden5:
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Anyone who is truly 'hardcore' will have all three.
I have all three...though I didn't 'personally' pay for any of them. Does that make me less hardcore? In my book it makes you smart, lucky or perhaps a bit of both  |
| | Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Yep. Just not in the sense of what you're implying. The games are less immersive. Who cares, as long as they are fun? Quote:
You can't play them as long as due to physical strain. Maybe you can't, but I have no problem playing them just as long as I do my 360 or PS3 games. Maybe you should look into Wii-Fit so you can improve your stamina. Quote:
The graphics are for SDTVs. There is a LOT more shovelware on that platform. Then, there is are the non-gaming related functions it lacks.
It's competing on a different level. Again, who cares as long as the games are fun? Quote:
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It is selling more units than the PS3 and 360 combined...pretty good for an overpriced, casual device.
True, but so has the PS2. What does that have to with the Wii being overpriced for what it does? For $250, you get a overclocked Gamecube with web access, a wand, and a game. Like I said, it's overpriced for what it does. 235,990 Japanese, in June, seem to disagree with you. 667,000 people, also in June, seem to disagree with you. 10.9 million Americans seem to disagree with you. Oh, wait, I forgot. All those people aren't 'gamers' so it doesn't count. Meanwhile Nintendo is all the wat to the bank. Note: That last sentence wasn't aimed specifically at you. It was aimed at all those 'gamers' who like to belittle people who actually enjoy the Wii. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
In my book it makes you smart, lucky or perhaps a bit of both Well, the 360 was a birthday/Christmas gift from my in-laws. The Wii was a Christmas gift from one of my wife's clients...they developed some bit of software, or something, that makes the Wii work. And the PS3 was a father's day gift from my wife. I guess you are right, it was a bit of both. Smart because I married her and lucky because she was willing to marry me.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar | | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,321 |
| | | Registered: May 9, 2007 | | Posts: 254 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Quoting Ascended_Saiyan:
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The graphics are for SDTVs. There is a LOT more shovelware on that platform. Then, there is are the non-gaming related functions it lacks.
It's competing on a different level.
Again, who cares as long as the games are fun?
I gotta admit, I do care about the graphics... I'm a bit of a graphics-whore, as they say...  | | | | "I can picture in my mind a world without war, a world without hate. And I can picture us attacking that world because they'd never expect it." - Jack Handey |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Posts: 281 |
| | Posted: | | | | The games are what made my decision on what system to buy. I tried the 360 and tried the PS3. The PS3 won over the 360 because of a few games (SOCOM series, God of War series, Ratchet and Clack series). I don’t regret that I bought the PS3 over the 360, but that also does not mean I do not like the 360 either. I also own the Wii system. The Wii was a Christmas gift that my boys wanted and let me tell you the games are awesome. My kids get up and move around to play. |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Posts: 281 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
The Wii is a very, very casual device and overpriced for what it does (Gamecube was $99). When the Gamecube, PS2, PS1, N64, Xbox, etc. they all were expensive/over priced at first for they did. The PS2 only plays games, is not interactive like the Wii and when it first was release it was around $249 to $299. At the time that was high for the economy. For casual system the Wii has games like Mario Cart that you can play online against you friends or evan anybody around the world at no extra cost. Wii vs PS3 | | | | Last edited: by Dragon 6 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
Who cares, as long as they are fun? What do you think "less immersive" means? Quote:
Maybe you can't, but I have no problem playing them just as long as I do my 360 or PS3 games. Maybe you should look into Wii-Fit so you can improve your stamina. I would bet you $100 you can't comfortably swing that Wii-mote for 5 hours. I don't know who you think you're kidding. Quote:
Again, who cares as long as the games are fun? Shovelware is not fun. Do you know what shovelware is (I'm sure you'll look it up now)? Quote:
235,990 Japanese, in June, seem to disagree with you.
667,000 people, also in June, seem to disagree with you.
10.9 million Americans seem to disagree with you.
Oh, wait, I forgot. All those people aren't 'gamers' so it doesn't count. Meanwhile Nintendo is all the wat to the bank.
Note: That last sentence wasn't aimed specifically at you. It was aimed at all those 'gamers' who like to belittle people who actually enjoy the Wii. Huh? That doesn't even touch on the fact that the PS2 has sold more than the Wii, X360, and PS3 put together. I find it funny that you are happy about millions of people being taken to the cleaners by an overpriced unit that should cost $150. The PS2 has about the same functionality for $120 less. | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Dragon 6: Quote:
When the Gamecube, PS2, PS1, N64, Xbox, etc. they all were expensive/over priced at first for they did. Nope. They ALL sold for less than what it cost to build...all except the Wii.  Quote:
The PS2 only plays games, is not interactive like the Wii and when it first was release it was around $249 to $299. At the time that was high for the economy. You must not know about a device called the EyeToy. It is MORE interactive than the Wii. You only get to move 1 arm with the Wii. With the EyeToy you get to move both arms AND legs. That's MORE interactive. When the PS2 launched, it was $299. It costed more to build than what they sold it for (unlike the Wii). It was cutting edge technology when it launched (unlike the Wii). Plus, it was one of the cheapest DVD movie players available (5 to 6 years later and Wii STILL doesn't play DVD movies at twice the price of a PS2).  Quote:
For casual system the Wii has games like Mario Cart that you can play online against you friends or evan anybody around the world at no extra cost.
Wii vs PS3 I can play just about all my racing, shooting, and strategy games with anyone around the world at no extra cost...in high definition and high quality audio. I have a racing game that can have 16 people online racing at the same time as well. I have a couple interactive games that I can swing one arm around (Sixaxis) as well. Not only that, but I can swing both arms with the PS Eye. How's THAT for interactivity? You remember Nintendo's E3 conference with the Wii Motion Plus Wii-mote? That just helped it to have the same functionality of the Sixaxis controller.  Then, I can go on for a long time about the extra functionalities the PS3 has over the Wii. That's why they don't compete in the same space. I'm not saying you shouldn't have fun with your Wii. I'm saying, don't think it's a value. That should have been evident when Nintendo said a launch they are making $50 on every console sold. At this point, they are probably making $100 on every unit sold. That's no more a consumer value than buying a $5 set of foam plates (when you should have paid $2). | | | To err is human...
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Quoting Unicus69:
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Who cares, as long as they are fun?
What do you think "less immersive" means? When you are immersed in something it is the same as saying your are engrossed with it. It has your full attention. You are captivated by the gameplay, the graphics, the story, etc. While those types of games are quite enjoyable, something that is 'less immersive' can be just as fun. I don't have to be 'immersed' in a game for it to be fun. Nobody would call Wii-tennis immersive...but I still have fun playing it...especially with my kids. Quote:
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Maybe you can't, but I have no problem playing them just as long as I do my 360 or PS3 games. Maybe you should look into Wii-Fit so you can improve your stamina.
I would bet you $100 you can't comfortably swing that Wii-mote for 5 hours. I don't know who you think you're kidding. Wow, call me a liar again. For your information, I spent a good 6 or 7 hours playing Wii Sports with my kids just the other day. We golfed, played baseball, bowled and played tennis. They each took turns trying to beat dad. On Sunday I spent the better part of the day playing Mario Party with my 7 year old. Was I tired when we were finished? Sure. Was I uncomfortable? Not at all. As I said, you need to work on your stamina. Quote:
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Again, who cares as long as the games are fun?
Shovelware is not fun. Do you know what shovelware is (I'm sure you'll look it up now)? As usual, you completely misread my statement. I never said 'shovelware was fun'. What I said, in the context of the quote, was "who cares how much shovelware there is on that platform if the games are fun? Just because you don't like the games doesn't mean they aren't fun. Btw, you should be careful what you assume. I have owned every console since 'pong'. I know what shovelware means but, much like beauty, shovelware is in the eye of the beholder. What is shovelware to one person may not be shovelware to another. What is fun for me, may not be fun for you. It is quite arrogant for you to claim you know what is and isn't fun...though not unexpected. Quote:
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235,990 Japanese, in June, seem to disagree with you.
667,000 people, also in June, seem to disagree with you.
10.9 million Americans seem to disagree with you.
Oh, wait, I forgot. All those people aren't 'gamers' so it doesn't count. Meanwhile Nintendo is all the wat to the bank.
Note: That last sentence wasn't aimed specifically at you. It was aimed at all those 'gamers' who like to belittle people who actually enjoy the Wii.
Huh? That doesn't even touch on the fact that the PS2 has sold more than the Wii, X360, and PS3 put together. I should hope so. It has been aroung for, what, 8 years? But what does that have to do with the fact that the Wii is currently...not historically...outselling both the PS3 and the 360? Oh wait, it has nothing to do with it. Quote:
I find it funny that you are happy about millions of people being taken to the cleaners by an overpriced unit that should cost $150. Value is in the eye of the beholder. Just because you think it is overpriced doesn't make it so. Hundreds of thousands of people seem to believe that it is a good value. While I am glad I got mine for free, seeing how much my kids play it, I would have been just as happy paying for it. It is quite arrogant of you to assume you can decide, for other people, what is and isn't overpriced. Quote:
The PS2 has about the same functionality for $120 less. Can you play Wii Sports on it? How about Mario Party or Mario Kart? Super Smash Bros. maybe? If the answer is 'no', then your statement is meaningless. If it doesn't play the games people want to play, who cares whether or not it has 'about the same functionality'? Oh, that's right...because you say they should care.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
Nope. They ALL sold for less than what it cost to build...all except the Wii. What? Are you kidding me? Nintendo is actually selling a product for more than it cost to make? Why, I've never heard of such a thing. Turning a profit on goods sold...the nerve of some people.  | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 29, 2007 | | Posts: 281 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ascended_Saiyan: Quote:
You must not know about a device called the EyeToy. It is MORE interactive than the Wii. You only get to move 1 arm with the Wii. With the EyeToy you get to move both arms AND legs. That's MORE interactive. I know all about the eye toy. For the Wii you move more than one arm and I guess you have not played the Wii fit. But I do like my PS3 also. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 1,127 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote:
When you are immersed in something it is the same as saying your are engrossed with it. It has your full attention. You are captivated by the gameplay, the graphics, the story, etc. While those types of games are quite enjoyable, something that is 'less immersive' can be just as fun.
I don't have to be 'immersed' in a game for it to be fun. Nobody would call Wii-tennis immersive...but I still have fun playing it...especially with my kids. Huh? engrossed - captive immersed - deeply embedded I believe the above words are synonyms. Quote:
Wow, call me a liar again. For your information, I spent a good 6 or 7 hours playing Wii Sports with my kids just the other day. We golfed, played baseball, bowled and played tennis. They each took turns trying to beat dad. On Sunday I spent the better part of the day playing Mario Party with my 7 year old. Was I tired when we were finished? Sure. Was I uncomfortable? Not at all. As I said, you need to work on your stamina. That is not continuously swing your arm for 5 hours as I stated. I guess by your interpretation I don't work an eight hour shift...I worked for the entire day, huh? Even my neighbor, that walks or runs almost everywhere, can't swing a Wii-mote comfortably for 2 or 3 hours (that doesn't mean with 3 other people in a rotation). If he couldn't do it, it's not about any natural type of stamina...period. However, I have had 8 hour gaming sessions on X360 (when I had it) and PS3 (playing through the Metal Gear games...preparing for MGS4). Quote:
As usual, you completely misread my statement. I never said 'shovelware was fun'. What I said, in the context of the quote, was "who cares how much shovelware there is on that platform if the games are fun? Just because you don't like the games doesn't mean they aren't fun.
Btw, you should be careful what you assume. I have owned every console since 'pong'. I know what shovelware means but, much like beauty, shovelware is in the eye of the beholder. What is shovelware to one person may not be shovelware to another. What is fun for me, may not be fun for you. It is quite arrogant for you to claim you know what is and isn't fun...though not unexpected. I didn't misread your statement. It's quoted in one of my previous posts. Why would you try to change it, now? That's weird. The following was ALL you typed for that part: "Again, who cares as long as the games are fun?" That's it...no more...no less. How many of these "eye of the beholder" type games do you have? I'm sure you will come up with a number that will not fail to impress, right? Quote:
I should hope so. It has been aroung for, what, 8 years? But what does that have to do with the fact that the Wii is currently...not historically...outselling both the PS3 and the 360? Oh wait, it has nothing to do with it. The point that appears to have been lost on you was that those Wii numbers don't matter to the PS3/X360 any more than the PS2 numbers matter to the Wii (even though the Wii is more of a direct competitor to the PS2 than to the PS3 and X360). Trying to compare the Wii to the PS3/X360 is like trying to compare a Vtech V.Smile to a Wii. It just doesn't make sense. Quote:
Value is in the eye of the beholder. Just because you think it is overpriced doesn't make it so. Hundreds of thousands of people seem to believe that it is a good value. While I am glad I got mine for free, seeing how much my kids play it, I would have been just as happy paying for it. It is quite arrogant of you to assume you can decide, for other people, what is and isn't overpriced. There are measuring tools to determine value. Don't try to muddy the water with this eye of the beholder crap. Those "muddy the water" type arguments remind me of Amir's arguments last year. We're just talking about math here. Math is clear cut. Looking at the components in the Wii and the priced charged, you come out with OVERPRICED. It is quite arrogant of you to assume YOU can decide, for other people, what is and isn't overpriced. That is very hypocritical of you to claim Blu-ray was overpriced last year and then say this now. Quote:
Can you play Wii Sports on it? How about Mario Party or Mario Kart? Super Smash Bros. maybe? If the answer is 'no', then your statement is meaningless. If it doesn't play the games people want to play, who cares whether or not it has 'about the same functionality'? Oh, that's right...because you say they should care. That is a BS argument. I can list a couple THOUSAND games you can't play on the Wii that you CAN play on the PS2...for $125 LESS. | | | To err is human...
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