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Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Correct, not Former Soviet Union, just Soviet Union for pre-1991 movies. | | | Last edited: by dee1959jay |
| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hydr0x: Quote:
You seem to miss the fact that I also mentioned the Germany before 1945. That included a lot of regions that are now parts of other CoO but those movies are still entered as Germany. No, I didn't miss that. I just don't see a problem there, as those territories WERE German at the time of the production of the movie. Quote: Well, this wouldn't be different if you'd split up (current) Russia and the Soviet Union, you'd still have to decide if that movie should be entered as Georgia or Soviet Union. And what with movies made before the Soviet Union? No, a 1970 film produced in what is now Georgia should be entered as Soviet Union, period. There was no independent state called Georgia in 1970. Movies made before the USSR should go into whatever state they were produced in (mostly Russia, the Tsarist version of it). |
| Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,807 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hydr0x: Quote:
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Estonia (like many other ex USSR republics) was a part of the USSR, not a part of Soviet Russia.
Where did I say Soviet Russia?!
I also did not propose to call an Estonian movie Russian. What I said was that if he have the current range of Former USSR countries (Russia, Ukraine, Estonia etc.) as CoO, there would be no need for something like "Former Soviet Union" or whatever. Only problem, USSR movies were USSR movies, just like USA movies are USA movies, not California's or New York's. Even if California and New York split up in the future, former movies will still be USA. Or, at least, that would be the easier way to classify them in DVD Profiler... Like dee1959jay said Quote:
[...] not all Soviet films were actually Russian productions. Just one example is Tsemen (or "Chermeni"), a 1970 film from what is now Georgia.
In theory you could class this as Georgian (if such a CoO existed), but would that be correct? Hmmm... In addition, it would require research by anyone submitting a Soviet film to find out whether it was actually Russian or came from somewhere else within the former Soviet Union.
| | | -- Enry |
| Registered: April 4, 2007 | Posts: 879 |
| Posted: | | | | So, where's your problem with my proposal then? All I said is that I could be perfectly happy with just having Russia and the now independent countries like Estonia or Ukraine as CoOs instead of some bloated other option that has been mentioned before... | | | - Jan |
| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | I can't speak for EnryWiki, but personally the only problem I would have with that is that I would like to see Soviet Union (without the "Former") added to what you're proposing, in order to be able to accurately cover the 1917-1991 period. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Registered: April 4, 2007 | Posts: 879 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting dee1959jay: Quote: I can't speak for EnryWiki, but personally the only problem I would have with that is that I would like to see Soviet Union (without the "Former") added to what you're proposing, in order to be able to accurately cover the 1917-1991 period. But then you'd also need to add god knows how many former states/nations to the list. And it serves no purpose too. If you just had Russa you'd know of 1987 Russia movie is from the Soviet Union. There's no data overlap between Russia and Soviet Union so why not just merge them into one entity? | | | - Jan |
| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | I don't want to keep repeating myself. Kindly refer to my post @ January 20, 2009 7:51 PM. |
| Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,807 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hydr0x: Quote:
But then you'd also need to add god knows how many former states/nations to the list.
Not all countries are made equal when it comes to film production USSR 1917-1991 is not just *any* nation. Quote:
And it serves no purpose too. If you just had Russa you'd know of 1987 Russia movie is from the Soviet Union. There's no data overlap between Russia and Soviet Union so why not just merge them into one entity? How would you tell whether a 1987 movie made in the USSR was actually "Russian" or "Georgian" or "Estonian"? Well, maybe you could, but it would be like telling whether a US movie is "Californian" or "Texan", or whether a German movie is "Bavarian" or "Branderburgian". Would that really make sense? Unnecessary additional work, anyway. | | | -- Enry |
| Registered: April 4, 2007 | Posts: 879 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting EnryWiki: Quote: Quoting hydr0x:
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But then you'd also need to add god knows how many former states/nations to the list.
Not all countries are made equal when it comes to film production
USSR 1917-1991 is not just *any* nation.
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And it serves no purpose too. If you just had Russa you'd know of 1987 Russia movie is from the Soviet Union. There's no data overlap between Russia and Soviet Union so why not just merge them into one entity?
How would you tell whether a 1987 movie made in the USSR was actually "Russian" or "Georgian" or "Estonian"? Well, maybe you could, but it would be like telling whether a US movie is "Californian" or "Texan", or whether a German movie is "Bavarian" or "Branderburgian". Would that really make sense? Unnecessary additional work, anyway. That doesn't change at all if you call it Soviet Union and create a separate Russia for 1991+ Are you even understanding your own arguments?! | | | - Jan |
| Registered: August 22, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,807 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hydr0x: Quote: Quoting EnryWiki:
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But then you'd also need to add god knows how many former states/nations to the list.
Not all countries are made equal when it comes to film production
USSR 1917-1991 is not just *any* nation.
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And it serves no purpose too. If you just had Russa you'd know of 1987 Russia movie is from the Soviet Union. There's no data overlap between Russia and Soviet Union so why not just merge them into one entity?
How would you tell whether a 1987 movie made in the USSR was actually "Russian" or "Georgian" or "Estonian"? Well, maybe you could, but it would be like telling whether a US movie is "Californian" or "Texan", or whether a German movie is "Bavarian" or "Branderburgian". Would that really make sense? Unnecessary additional work, anyway.
That doesn't change at all if you call it Soviet Union and create a separate Russia for 1991+ Are you even understanding your own arguments?! I think it would change a lot, since all "Former USSR" 1917-1991 productions are definitely USSR, while we don't know whether they are "Russian" or what else. | | | -- Enry |
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