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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
That's called copyright violation and the implications are huge. I just finished a law school class on this topic. That sort of data is not copyrightable. Only creative works are. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,245 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would like to see the BY continued.
However, in cases where a BY can not be found I think a second field called "First Credit" should be allowed as an alternate to the BY.
So according to IMDB there is two Julia Roberts'
The more famous one was born in 1967. So easy enough we would enter 1967.
The other one has no BY and acted in only one film. The Inherited in 2009.
So in the "First Credit" field we would enter 2009.The BY field would be left blank.
Separation of the two results.
No need for using IMDB type system or made up whatever. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Lol, you better go take your class again. And while you do it, ask your professor about predatory businesses using lawsuits to drive out competition and then ask him if he knows anything about the legal history of Amazon. You have much to learn my young padiwan. Much to learn, indeed. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Interesting idea Cubby, but in those cases you would have to know when their first credit was. Where would this info come from? |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Actually one thing that would greatly improve linking would be to have the cast & Crew shared among all a particular film's profiles (with the capability for variations if necessary) rather than having a separate cast & crew for each one. Imagine only having to fix one Matrix profile instead of god-knows how many!  |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | North:
This is an old idea which i talk about periodically, I think I first mentioned it about three years ago. The way I would would be strictly from data in Profiler. What is the earliest year in our records. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Actually one thing that would greatly improve linking would be to have the cast & Crew shared among all a particular film's profiles (with the capability for variations if necessary) rather than having a separate cast & crew for each one.
Imagine only having to fix one Matrix profile instead of god-knows how many! That too has been mentioned before, north. It is an interesting thought, not entirely sure what i think of it. One plus i will give you is allowing for local variations or version variations. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 6,747 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
None of those concern me in the slightest. I would like to figure out a way to resolve it, but as I have said I am slave to no culture when it comes to data entry. That's because you live in your cozy little 7-bit ASCII world... | | | Karsten
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
Lol, you better go take your class again. And while you do it, ask your professor about predatory businesses using lawsuits to drive out competition and then ask him if he knows anything about the legal history of Amazon. You have much to learn my young padiwan. Much to learn, indeed. Worrying about IMDB filing a frivolous suit is different that worrying about actually violating their copyright. See Feist Publications v. Rural Telephone Service for a relevant precedent. I don't see why you're worried about IMDB's dubious ownership of Roman numeral assignments but not abotu the MPAA's very real ownership of their ratings. Still, IMDB's roman numerals can change as entries are split or merged as more info comes in. Taking their Roman numeral assignments directly would be a bad idea for this reason. It's better to take the general idea of how their system works, which is essentially what I proposed. |
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| Registered: December 10, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,004 |
| | Posted: | | | | To illustrate what I mean. The famous Kevin Smith isn't really Kevin Smith (I) in their DB. Likewise, the less famous Kevin Smith who played Ares in Hercules; The Legendary Journeys and Xena: Warrior Princess isn't really Kevin Smith (II). They are just displayed that way for user convenience. They system thinks of them as nm0003620 and nm0808963, respectively. If the rotund New-Jerseyite changes his name Ibn al Xu'ffasch and eventually gets known under that name, he'll still be nm0003620 and the suave Kiwi will still be nm0808963, even if his name gets changed to Kevin Smith (I). Something like this would be much better. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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None of those concern me in the slightest. I would like to figure out a way to resolve it, but as I have said I am slave to no culture when it comes to data entry.
That's because you live in your cozy little 7-bit ASCII world...  What does that have to do with film credits and what appears On Screen, Karsten. I can transcribe credits in many languages with equal ease to credits that are in Americanese. There are also languages that I can't cope, but I can promise you this karsten, IF for example the program could cope with Kanji, I would have no problem transcribing Japanese, anymore than i do French or German, it is about what the data On Screen SAYS, not what my culture says. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
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Lol, you better go take your class again. And while you do it, ask your professor about predatory businesses using lawsuits to drive out competition and then ask him if he knows anything about the legal history of Amazon. You have much to learn my young padiwan. Much to learn, indeed.
Worrying about IMDB filing a frivolous suit is different that worrying about actually violating their copyright. See Feist Publications v. Rural Telephone Service for a relevant precedent. I don't see why you're worried about IMDB's dubious ownership of Roman numeral assignments but not abotu the MPAA's very real ownership of their ratings.
Still, IMDB's roman numerals can change as entries are split or merged as more info comes in. Taking their Roman numeral assignments directly would be a bad idea for this reason. It's better to take the general idea of how their system works, which is essentially what I proposed. AceL: All you are doing is demonstrating that you know very little about business, strategy and even less about law.. Might such a lawsuit be frivolous, sure, that isn't the point, a predatory company such as Amazon isn't concerned about the pennies they might be able to get awarded in a lawsuit if it's about competition, they're concern is to destroy the competition and one of the EASIEST ways to do this is to force your competitor to spend money to defend himself instead of spending money to improve his product, this is done all the time. Like I said you much to learn, my young padiwan, much to learn indeed. Scratch the surface you have not. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote:
To illustrate what I mean. The famous Kevin Smith isn't really Kevin Smith (I) in their DB. Likewise, the less famous Kevin Smith who played Ares in Hercules; The Legendary Journeys and Xena: Warrior Princess isn't really Kevin Smith (II). They are just displayed that way for user convenience. They system thinks of them as nm0003620 and nm0808963, respectively. If the rotund New-Jerseyite changes his name Ibn al Xu'ffasch and eventually gets known under that name, he'll still be nm0003620 and the suave Kiwi will still be nm0808963, even if his name gets changed to Kevin Smith (I). Something like this would be much better. Ok, that's a good reason not to rely on the IMDB numbers - I never realised they could change. So really the only reliable way for cast/crew linking is to introduce a numbering system with each actor having a unique number. So each cast entry in a profile would actually contain 2 pieces of information: the code number and the display name. And to create linking we would contribute such things as "entry Y in profile A is the same person as entry Z in profile B" and if accepted the system would simply change the number of entry Z so it matches the other number. The display name would never need to change, so no need for common names anymore, and as each number would be unique duplicate names would be allowed so no need for BY anymore. It would be incredibly complicated to apply, and would probably mean totally rebuilding the database, but is the most reliable way of doing it. |
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| Registered: September 18, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,650 |
| | Posted: | | | | I would like the ability to merge or split names locally without going through every relevant profile and rather than using BY's I would like to list a movie that said person is most famous for (or do as Cubby stated above). | | | | Last edited: by samuelrichardscott |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,635 |
| | Posted: | | | | See HERE for my previously documented views on this subject! | | | | Hal |
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| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,479 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote:
See HERE for my previously documented views on this subject! I think your system could work. I also think that a new linking system will need a complete modification of the program and we shall wait for years before having that. Your system will not prevent contributor's work and reseach for linking. I give a fictitious example. A new actress is credited in her first movie Marie-Josée Délène. She is credited in dvdprofiler Marie-Josée//Délène. In her second movie, she is credited MARIE JOSEE DELENE. As the system works today, she will be credited as Marie/Josee/Delene with no CLT result. Which automatic system will link those two names if nobody makes a research to say that MARIE JOSEE DELENE is Marie-Josée Délène ??? And if somebody makes the research, he just have to enter Marie-Josée Délène (credited as Marie Josée Délène) to obtain correct linking, without any change of the program. What I propose for accented names can be implemented tomorrow without any change to the program. It just need that Ken makes a clarification in rules to solve 80% of linking problems ... | | | | Images from movies | | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
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