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| Registered: February 23, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 1,580 |
| | Posted: | | | | Sure Skip, I don't mind waiting for the design of the banner until we have a better view or even not having a banner at all , depending on what the decision will be.
Lyonsden, I think you hit the nail on the head: getting a uniform standard from the get-go is very important. You can then easily change it lateron. It's inconsistency that would be the major problem as it's very hard to clean up afterwards. | | | Blu-ray collection
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| | Registered: March 19, 2007 |  Posts: 581 |
| | Posted: | | | | The format is still blu-ray though. You can play the disc on regular BD players, just not access the 3D stream. It's not much different from PiP, which would not play on the first profile 1.0 players. So the media type should be Blu-ray.
I agree with Skip to put 3D in the edition field. Unsure how to handle the banner though, as I'm sure the use of a different case type, will not be consistent. | | |  |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting kosvines: Quote:
The format is still blu-ray though. You can play the disc on regular BD players, just not access the 3D stream. It's not much different from PiP, which would not play on the first profile 1.0 players. So the media type should be Blu-ray.
I agree with Skip to put 3D in the edition field. Unsure how to handle the banner though, as I'm sure the use of a different case type, will not be consistent. Personally I see zero benefit in adding it to the edition field. That field is already bloated and 3D it is not an edition. You yourself say you can play the disk on any standard player just not access the 3D stream without the right hardware. That makes it an "other feature" and it should be tagged as such. It's the same thing as the DB Live feature. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 |  Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | The difference between me and many others is that with my experience in Profiler, I have a pretty good idea what might or might not happen within a given timeframe though i can and have been surprised. Do I expect any word from on this in the foreseeable future, no, I do not, doses that mean we are helpless..no, we have the ability to accept some sort of an interim standard...whatever it is...and then that standard can be enforced by votes. It simply requires the establishment of a consistent convention, the problem is that we have we have a lot of users who simply will not accept any sort of standard unless it is backed up by "Big Daddy" ready with a supply of diapers (yes, sarcasm). This is one of the things that have made these forums so difficult, everyone wants to use their particular page, instead of getting on a common page for the good of all, this even includes the providing or lack thereof in providing solid documentation, instead hiding behind the famous, Ken doesn't say I HAVE to.
Just my opinion.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Quoting kosvines:
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The format is still blu-ray though. You can play the disc on regular BD players, just not access the 3D stream. It's not much different from PiP, which would not play on the first profile 1.0 players. So the media type should be Blu-ray.
I agree with Skip to put 3D in the edition field. Unsure how to handle the banner though, as I'm sure the use of a different case type, will not be consistent.
Personally I see zero benefit in adding it to the edition field. That field is already bloated and 3D it is not an edition. You yourself say you can play the disk on any standard player just not access the 3D stream without the right hardware. That makes it an "other feature" and it should be tagged as such. It's the same thing as the DB Live feature. Rick: That's fine with me. I am far more interested in a common page than it being my page, though I think the edition is a better choice right now. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
The difference between me and many others is that with my experience in Profiler, I have a pretty good idea what might or might not happen within a given timeframe though i can and have been surprised. Do I expect any word from on this in the foreseeable future, no, I do not, doses that mean we are helpless..no, we have the ability to accept some sort of an interim standard...whatever it is...and then that standard can be enforced by votes. It simply requires the establishment of a consistent convention, the problem is that we have we have a lot of users who simply will not accept any sort of standard unless it is backed up by "Big Daddy" ready with a supply of diapers (yes, sarcasm). This is one of the things that have made these forums so difficult, everyone wants to use their particular page, instead of getting on a common page for the good of all, this even includes the providing or lack thereof in providing solid documentation, instead hiding behind the famous, Ken doesn't say I HAVE to.
Just my opinion.
Skip c'mon now, don't start with the you know better than the rest of us. While not all of us have been around as long as you (although there are quite a few that have been) many of us have been around for years and years. Seven for me now. Our "experience" with what might or might not happen is the same as yours. Many of our guesses are just as good (many times proven better) than yours. It may give us a bit of an inside track on what to expect over those who have only been here a year or so but it really doesn't take long to figure out how Ken works. Anyone who has been through more than one beta cycle, has been waiting for the DVDP Plus online feature, or even the iphone version knows all they need to know about how things work around here. Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
I am far more interested in a common page than it being my page,  I'm more interested in it being a common page than it being your page as well.  (c'mon.... it's a joke! ... it was sitting right there. I couldn't resist)  I'm glad we agree it being a common page is a good thing. It's probably up to Ken at this point to tell us how he wants to handle it. I've never had luck before but I'll give it a try zombie zombie zombie |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I suggest you stop trying to read something that I did not say.  Youy just WANt to cause trouble, nothing ever changes. I said your suggestion was fine by me, i want ONE page for all of us that is far more important than YOUR page OR MY page, ONE PASGE...understand.  No it wasn't a joke, it was your typical sniping and biting. And like i said, Rick, we can't do anything that we should be able to. What is the first thing you said, Oh, Daddy my diaper needs changing. Come on, bub. Act like an adult...just ONCE...please. <shakes head> How pathetic. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | don't get all I'm not starting anything. I'm simply pointing out your "experience" is the same as many here. I'm not reading anything into what you said. I was simply responding to your claim that your experience somehow gives you an insight that others don't have. If you can't deal with the reality that others have the same insight you do that's your issue, not mine. Talk about nothing ever changes, as soon as people disagree with you you start with the "I know better than you do" and when called on it you start dictating we "UNDERSTAND" Time to engage the block. I'll see you after your next vacation. | | | | Last edited: by lyonsden5 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,372 |
| | Posted: | | | | FWIW I am 100% opposed to coming up with a forum consensus and then trying to enforce that with votes as has been suggested. This is completely against the rules for voting. A group of users cannot dictate what is acceptable, only Invelos can. It's bad enough they don't always update their rules to match their statements, we as users certainly can't start deciding what is good or what is bad data and voting yes or no based on our decisions. What the Professor is suggesting is a violation of the rules and anyone who follows that suggestion should have their voting privileges revoked. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Personally I see zero benefit in adding it to the edition field. That field is already bloated and 3D it is not an edition. You yourself say you can play the disk on any standard player just not access the 3D stream without the right hardware. That makes it an "other feature" and it should be tagged as such. It's the same thing as the DB Live feature. For what it's worth, I agree with Rick here. 3D is not an edition, it is a feature. The only way it could be an edition is if it was 3D only and was only playable on 3D capable machines. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
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| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote:
we have the ability to accept some sort of an interim standard...whatever it is...and then that standard can be enforced by votes. We don't have the ability to adopt standards that are enforceable by votes. Sorry. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 13,202 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
FWIW I am 100% opposed to coming up with a forum consensus and then trying to enforce that with votes as has been suggested. This is completely against the rules for voting. A group of users cannot dictate what is acceptable, only Invelos can. It's bad enough they don't always update their rules to match their statements, we as users certainly can't start deciding what is good or what is bad data and voting yes or no based on our decisions.
What the Professor is suggesting is a violation of the rules and anyone who follows that suggestion should have their voting privileges revoked. Again, for what it's worth, I have to agree with Rick. We are not Invelos and we can't create, nor enforce, our own standards. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand.
The Centauri learned this lesson once.
We will teach it to them again.
Though it take a thousand years, we will be free.
- Citizen G'Kar |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 767 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting lyonsden5: Quote:
Quoting kosvines:
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The format is still blu-ray though. You can play the disc on regular BD players, just not access the 3D stream. It's not much different from PiP, which would not play on the first profile 1.0 players. So the media type should be Blu-ray.
I agree with Skip to put 3D in the edition field. Unsure how to handle the banner though, as I'm sure the use of a different case type, will not be consistent.
Personally I see zero benefit in adding it to the edition field. That field is already bloated and 3D it is not an edition. You yourself say you can play the disk on any standard player just not access the 3D stream without the right hardware. That makes it an "other feature" and it should be tagged as such. It's the same thing as the DB Live feature. Seems like like a good idea. It's good to see people thinking about this stuff, but on the other hand you have five fingers  : Probably the same amount of titles that will be released on 3D-Bluray the next months.... Let's focus on the bigger picture than the few (and in the case of 3D-Bluray, VERY few) exceptions. |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | I agree with that, marcel. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it.
Outta here
Billy Video |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 21,610 |
| | Posted: | | | | James and martian: While I understand where you are comiong from, we HAVE used and enforced conventions in the past. The other option, to me is simply unacceptable, and that is to allow users to run rampant and include 3D wherever each user wishes, that is totally counter productive. I try to make a suggestion to try to minimize this problem and for my trouble i get attacked. If Ken wants to weigh ii\n with a an interim solution himself, fine and WELCOME, though I don't really expect to see it. That is what my experience tells me, so I try and suggest a solution and the usual result ensues.  That is sad to see, though not surprising. Like I said the more important thing to me is that we all work from the same page...which page is unimportant, until Ken makes a choice, and BTW were I Ken, at this juncture there is not sufficient information or product available to warrant a decision. I don't understand why you believe anarchy is a better answer than trying to create a temporary solution. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!!
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Billy Video | | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,480 |
| | Posted: | | | | I disagree that it's anarchy because we still operate under the rules. Your plan might be better but we have no authority to "enforce" it with votes. It's not an attack on you to refute your claim that we can enforce something that's unenforceable. | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
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