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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,321 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm not interested in this.
However, if I was interested, I would create a custom collection and add them there manually. Not the best solution, but it would work for now. I may even populate that collection with real profiles just to save myself some typing and to receive updates (although I wouldn't contribute any changes to those profiles!) This is an extremely flexible program. You should be able to make it work to suit your needs. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here. Create fake parent profiles to organize your collection. |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,337 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Winston Smith: Quote: To duplicate my own library on HDD would take approximately 150TB of Hard Drive Space , that does not include OS, Backup or any software, just not economically practical. Can I please see the equation behind this number? |
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Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | Think of the time it would take to store that amount of data. One might almost be tempted to watch the movies instead. | | | Hans |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 1,982 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting KinoNiki: Quote: Physical media collectors are a dying race after all I'm sure you can submit an irrefutable proof of that or I will see it as a bland statement... |
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Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,460 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Kulju: Quote: Quoting Winston Smith:
Quote: To duplicate my own library on HDD would take approximately 150TB of Hard Drive Space , that does not include OS, Backup or any software, just not economically practical. Can I please see the equation behind this number? Actually 10,000 discs consisting of 8,000 DVD and 2,000 BD gets up in that range: (8,000 x 6GB) + (2,000 x 40GB) = 48TB + 80TB = 128TB. Only reason I aswered this was that my initial reaction was "no way," but actually it is quite conceivable, I have to admit! (I used my own estimates for the average size of a DVD and BD). Even if I divide by two or three, personally I usually have 2 copies of digital media that has a backup spinning, or 3 copies spinning if I have no backup. (Backup = a copy on a different PC or on disc.). | | | Thanks for your support. Free Plugins available here. Advanced plugins available here. Hey, new product!!! BDPFrog. | | | Last edited: by mediadogg |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 736 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mediadogg: Quote: Quoting Kulju:
Quote: Quoting Winston Smith:
Quote: To duplicate my own library on HDD would take approximately 150TB of Hard Drive Space , that does not include OS, Backup or any software, just not economically practical. Can I please see the equation behind this number? Actually 10,000 discs consisting of 8,000 DVD and 2,000 BD gets up in that range:
(8,000 x 6GB) + (2,000 x 40GB) = 48TB + 80TB = 128TB.
Only reason I aswered this was that my initial reaction was "no way," but actually it is actually quite conceivable, I have to admit! (I used my own estimates for the average size of a DVD and BD). Even if I divide by two or three, personally I usually have 2 copies of digital media that has a backup spinning, or 3 copies spinning if I have no backup. (Backup = a copy on a different PC or on disc.). Yep. This is the reason I can't convince myself to go the HDD way, even though I would like too. Maybe within the next few years, if we start seeing 20+TB drives reasonably priced, I'll take the dive. |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,917 |
| Posted: | | | | I'm using UNRAID with eight 1.5 TB drives with a total useable space of 10.26 TB of space. UNRAID supports up to a (current) max of twenty 2 TB drives.
Here's my current stats of my ongoing project to store my movie collection on HDD. Note I store only the movie in MKV format, no extras. Only one audio tract (best available) preserved (supports multiple) and only forced subtitles on Blu-ray. Movies are stored as-is, no quality loss/change.
DVD 76 processed. Size ranges from 2.02 GB to 6.79 GB. Total space taken: 329 GB with an average size of 4.33 GB
Blu-Ray & HD-DVD 77 processed. Size ranges from 8.8 GB to 29.2 GB. Total space taken: 1.33 TB with an average size of 17.31 GB.
Based on this, a maxed out UNRAID server can house approximately 8,572 DVD's or 2,144 Blu-Ray's storing only the movie like I described above. |
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Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | Just as a curiosity, how much time did it take to "process" 76+77 DVDs? | | | Hans |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,917 |
| Posted: | | | | I'll time it when I continue. It IS time consuming but it's mostly set and forget. Your times are largly affected by the hard drives and DVD/Blu-Ray drive speed. | | | Last edited: by Dr. Killpatient |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,337 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mediadogg: Quote:
Actually 10,000 discs consisting of 8,000 DVD and 2,000 BD gets up in that range That's true, but I (or actually he) was talking about Skip's collection. Based on his online collection he has ~5000 discs. I didn't check, but I doubt that even 500 of 'em aren't Blu-rays. |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 2,337 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Dr. Killpatient: Quote: I'll time it when I continue. It IS time consuming but it's mostly set and forget. Your times are largly affected by the hard drives and DVD/Blu-Ray drive speed. How do your backups? RAID isn't a backup. Of course you still have the original discs, but the amount of lost work would be a huge loss. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Kulju:
I found the tone of your question to simply be argumentative therefore I won't answer it. It's a rough calculation based on the last time a did a hard one. That's as close as you get, it simply is not feasible with any sort of quality for a large collection, UI will tell you that the original calculatio n included everything not just the movies, bonus features and discs as well | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,917 |
| Posted: | | | | Skip, I found him to be stating an observation, not an argument. Don't assume that everyone wants to argue with you. Quoting Kulju: Quote: How do your backups? RAID isn't a backup. Of course you still have the original discs, but the amount of lost work would be a huge loss. UNRAID isn't like a typical RAID. Each drive can exist independently of each other. A parity drive allows for a single drive failure to be recovered. If two or more drives fail, I only lose the contents of those specific drives and not everything like with a standard RAID. The next version of UNRAID will support two parity drives to handle a dual-drive failure. I have a batch file set up that exports the file contents of each drive so in the event that multiple drives fail at the same time, I can see exactly what was lost. Since my media will be written once, it should expand the lifespan. Plus, each drive can be spun down individually after a specified timeout to reduce wear-n-tear (extended spin periods can lead to the spindle freezing upon shutdown). Based on this, I've opted to not keep a duplicate copy of all media other than the physical copy. If something happens and I do lose everything, my next step is to pick up a few 400 disc Blu-ray changers. | | | Last edited: by Dr. Killpatient |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Well doc, it's not rocket science to make the calculation, yet he asked, for his own reasons. I saw no observation. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: May 8, 2007 | Posts: 823 |
| Posted: | | | | Dr. Killpatient, how are you running your UNRAID? Is it on your own computer that you set up, or did you buy some preconfigured specialized hardware (like a NetGear ReadyNAS)? | | | 99.9% of all cat plans consist only of "Step 1." |
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Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,917 |
| Posted: | | | | You can buy an UNRAID server with either 12 or 15 drives or you can build your own - I opted for the later. They have a free version that you can use three drives with - one parity and two data. You can use any size and type (IDE/SATA) drive. The only restriction is that the parity drive has to be equal or larger than every other drive. UNRAID runs under a custom unix OS which boots from a Flash drive - creates a RAM drive with the OS & software an runs under it. I have a motherboard with six SATA ports plus two four-port SATA cards. A case with a lot of drive bays is a plus and you can get 5.25 drive bay add-ons which allow you to mount your drives onto it (built-in fans tend to be LOUD). Creating a network share creates a top-level directory on the drives with the same name. The share contains a combined directory listing of all drives under that directory. You can opt to enable a separate share for each drive as well. Each share can be configured to spread out the files on all drives based on which drive has the most free space or you can opt to fill up one drive at a time - and you can exclude drives from a share too. Parity is generated on the fly which affects write speeds somewhat but you have the option of adding a cache drive. If a share is configured to use the cache drive, writing a file to the share writes the file to the cache drive first and it's made available in the share listing. With no parity on the cache drive, writes are very fast - I utilize nearly 70% of my gigabit network copying files vs 40-50% with parity. At a specified time during the night or on demand, the files on the cache drive are moved over to the other drives. | | | Last edited: by Dr. Killpatient |
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