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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar Contributorhal9g
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If you save the image directly to the "images" directory using the proper naming convention, you can save images in your local database at whatever resolution you wish.

Do I need to first add the DVD to my collection then overwrite the image that's there with my scan?Will DVDP know not to overwrite my image with one from its servers? What if I perform the action where DVDP re-syncs all the images from its online db? I ask because I think I need to do that since I haven't done so in quite a few years, and my DVDP db has some gnarled images in it (hi-res images that are only a few KB and thumbnails over 100KB).

Thanks. I do apprecaite the tip. I guess I'll do my own ultra-hi scans going forward.


Yes, you will need to overwrite the existing image if you've already downloaded one from the online database.  In order to prevent your image from being overwritten by future downloads, you must lock the images for that profile using the "lock" feature.  Even if you do a re-sync all images, if you've locked images for the profile, they will not be overwritten by the online image.
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The naming convention for images is the UPC used in the profile followed by either an "f" (for front image) or a "b" (for back image).  The UPC for discs entered by disc ID, is the letter "I" followed by the disc ID, then followed by either "f" or "b".

Since you're in the U.S., I won't go into the additional info needed for "region" distinction, unless you have other than Region 1 discs.
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Once you replace the scans you will want to lock the cover images so they don't get written over with the new scans on the next update. In the General info screen there is a padlock icon. Right Click on that and you can choose what parts of the profile to lock (or lock the entire profile). To lock the cover images you want to select it from the list. At the very bottom of the list.

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See Hal already covered the locks. 
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I know I can scan them myself. But my DVDP database always re-sizes my images when I edit a movie to import my own image. How do I stop it from doing that? I'd prefer not having to do all my own scans just to get better images, but I can't even figure out how to make that work if I wanted to. I know I could manually name my scans and upload them to my website fully external to anything DVDP, but I prefer just to pull my images out of my DVDP repository (even if it's my own scanning that loads them there).

Why do you assume that higher res images would "blow up" the servers? In my opening request I pointed out that 4x res scans take only 50% more space. 1 million ultra-hi res movie covers would require about a half terrabyte of data. My 2yr old laptop has that much disk space on it. If that little data is an issue for Invelos, they should re-think their business model (go to subscription - I'd pay a monthly fee to cover the nominal bandwidth increase needed to access ultra-hi re images).

At least the counter-point about inadvertently promoting bootlegs seems valid. I certainly don't want Invelos to get in trouble with movie studios.

Edit: I guess I'll quit asking on this. Piracy concerns aside, I really didn't see how this could possibly impact anyone negatively. I suppose if I didn't personally have a need for cover art that looked better than a zoomed-in thumbnail I would adamantly oppose it for everyone else too...


Sorry to see you were offended by my post.
I didn't mean to wipe your proposal of the board, but simply wanted to show a workaround until Invelos raises the limits for scan sizes, which isn't something I would expect any time soon.

Regarding the "automatic resizing" of your pics: Possibly a stupid question, but do you have "High-Res" enabled? Please check under "Tools -> Options -> Display"
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Regarding the "automatic resizing" of your pics: Possibly a stupid question, but do you have "High-Res" enabled? Please check under "Tools -> Options -> Display"


The program will always do an "automatic resize" if you drag and drop them in the program.  The only way to retain higher res images is to save them directly to the images directory.
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Regarding the "automatic resizing" of your pics: Possibly a stupid question, but do you have "High-Res" enabled? Please check under "Tools -> Options -> Display"


The program will always do an "automatic resize" if you drag and drop them in the program.  The only way to retain higher res images is to save them directly to the images directory.


If i choose "DVD -> edit cover images" and add the new ones, they will not be resized. However they will be saved again, which in JPG format means the image quality will weaken. This will not happen if you do it your way. However it doesn't effect the size.
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I like pretty pictures too and would be interested in seeing your layout.  Both frint and back are visible in mine as well, but not in full master DB size.  I am curious to see what information you might, or might not be showing that I am.


You can see my layout there (resolution is 1920x1200): http://i.picoodle.com/6a9ifv2l

Since its in Finnish; crew is behind cast, comments is behind front cover, gallery is behind back cover and all technical stuff (audio, subs, disc info and easter eggs) is behind extras

That is quite nice. 

Are layouts language specific?  If not I would love a copy of that, if you don't mind, so that I can play around with it a bit.
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If i choose "DVD -> edit cover images" and add the new ones, they will not be resized. However they will be saved again, which in JPG format means the image quality will weaken. This will not happen if you do it your way. However it doesn't effect the size.


Good to know.  I never use the "DVD-> edit cover images" function, so didn't know that.
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Redsull:

You said "Edit: I guess I'll quit asking on this. Piracy concerns aside, I really didn't see how this could possibly impact anyone negatively. I suppose if I didn't personally have a need for cover art that looked better than a zoomed-in thumbnail I would adamantly oppose it for everyone else too... "

While I understand your desire, it is simply not posiible or financially feasible. I will use my collection as an
example. All of my Owned tiotles are scanned at 800DPI, each image is approximately 2 to 3 MB in size. The size of my collection is somewhere close to 20 GB. Now multiply that time how tens or hundreds thousands of users and you may begin to comprehend the scope of the issue. It's nice but simply not feasible to do a maintain a program cost of $30, there are users such as you and myself who MIGHT be willing to pay more for some things. Ken has decided to focus on a low cost alternative for the users to maximize the benefit to his company's ability to generate cash flow.
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Well, it's not a matter of the number of users but the number of profiles.
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I export the XML and run it through a code generator that updates my online listing

That looks wicked. Can you explain how to do this? (e.g. in an extra thread in "DVD Profiler Online" or per pm)

Back to topic: I played around with gimp a bit and experimented on some scans, the backcover of a BSG-Season (BD) and the frontcover of "Fail Safe" (DVD)

I saved those with a width of 1024 pixel and got 2,4MB for BSG and 2,7MB for "Fail Safe" as PNG. Which, although I'd really prefer PNG, is a bit much.
With JPG it looks a bit better, I aimed at 500KB and got it with 94% for BSG and 93% for "Fail Safe" and both look still fine.

Now lets look at those numbers: the current online DB has ~550,000 titles, which would amount to 1,6TB for PNG (calculated with 3MB each) or 263GB for the JPG (500KB each) ... both numbers are quite underwhelming in todays business.

Bandwidth on the other hand would be another beast, the PNGs might really clog the arteries there. 

So maybe the way to go would have to be forked: Submission and download as PNG and for the online-collection those 500KB-JPG?

Maybe Ken could shed some light on how much of the server-traffic is DVD-Profiler-related and how much Online-collection-related? (or he could at least crunch the numbers in private for his consideration)

cya, Mithi

PS BSG-PNG
    BSG-JPG
    Fail Safe-PNG
    Fail Safe-JPG
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Well, it's not a matter of the number of users but the number of profiles.

In terms of data transfer volume it is a matter of the number of users.
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redscull - Ok thats kinda neat. Make a thread on that please

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PNG is a lossless format, meaning you can save and resave the file and the quality remains exactly the same. For this to be possible, complicated graphics (like a picture) usually have to take up significantly more space than a JPG of the same dimensions.

JPG is a good format for images because it reduces the file size to a more reasonable level with the sacrifice of quality (more loss with tighter compression) and unfortunately continues to lose quality with each resave of a JPG file.

While PNG is a better format for keeping enough detail to see smaller things (like fine print) nearer the original, once the file has been resized (as happens with image submitted to the database) PNG becomes less useful because the act of resizing decreases quality no matter how it is saved after that. At that point, losing just a little more quality through use of JPG over PNG is not very significant.


For example: you start with a new scanned file. Saved as PNG it's 100% quality (based on the scan, not the original image). If it had been saved as a JPG with minimal compression, it might be 98% original quality. Now you upload the image to the database (just assume PNG files  can go through) and the first thing that it does is make the image half as large. The image quality from the original is already reduced to 50% give or take prior to even saving the file. If the system saved it as a PNG then it would remain 50%. If it saved to JPG it might end up 48% of the original. So, using PNG isn't the "save all" for improving image quality here.
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So, using PNG isn't the "save all" for improving image quality here.

It's not, but PNG can handle transparency ... say Hello to rounded steelbook-corners or perspective shots of boxsets.

For everything else JPG 98% might be preferable.


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So, using PNG isn't the "save all" for improving image quality here.


TBH i would be completely happy IF i could use PNG even just locally (i.e. my own scans). When i add the files to the program, the quality decreases. After upload the server could change it to JPG, i wouldn't care. Only thing i would really lose are those that Mithi said.
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