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Way to get cast, crew, etc from film credits without retyping |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 485 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mediadogg: Quote: ... Maybe faster than typing? Definitely if you hit the PAUSE button appropriately if scrolling is too fast. But how about the many accents/pronounciations of English? And its many spelling variants of identical sounds -- remember this is about surnames, not fluent sentences one can deduct spelling from the context. For instance, the many ways to spell the sound that is "...ley", "...leigh", "ly" etc. How well is the speech recognition really? Imagine a heavy German accent by a DVDp contributor -- will it work (no offence to all you German speaking people out there)? And in what language should the credit scroll be read if it is a non-English movie? And if a crew/cast member with, say, a true French name with some accents and cedilles (think "François") appears in an English movie? Remember, the set [a, e, i, u] as used in spelling is widely differently pronounced in the main languages German, French, English, Dutch (just listing the main home countries of most people here on the fora). And don't get me started on the "u" in German and the "oe" in Dutch or "ou" in French or "oo" in the American English dialect (think "oorahhh.." ) for that matter. (For the uninitiated, these spellings are pronounced basically identically...). IOW it might work but it surely is a huge can of worms. If you believe the bible, a universal language once existed in a place called Babylon . Didn't work out that well... | | | Eric
If it is important, say it. Otherwise, let silence speak. | | | Last edited: by eommen |
| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,460 |
| Posted: | | | | Have you tried the AT&T translate app for Android? I saw it first in a movie. I tried it - not too shabby. It is multi-langage in and out. I have actually used the MS Windows speech reco to enter UPCs in the "Add DVD" dialogue. If it is MS Windows, I'm guessing that has localization support.
I did my graduate work in speech recognition and synthesis many years ago. We have truly come a long way since then! | | | Thanks for your support. Free Plugins available here. Advanced plugins available here. Hey, new product!!! BDPFrog. | | | Last edited: by mediadogg |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 485 |
| Posted: | | | | I concede you are the expert, not me. My point is, the DVD profiler community is multi-national and multi-lingual. So are many movies. Any speech recognition would require (problably) severe post-editing to get it right... | | | Eric
If it is important, say it. Otherwise, let silence speak. |
| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,460 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting eommen: Quote: I concede you are the expert, not me. My point is, the DVD profiler community is multi-national and multi-lingual. So are many movies. Any speech recognition would require (problably) severe post-editing to get it right... You may be right. Anyways, it is fun to play with. Take a look and let me know what you think - if there is any potential there. BTW I wasn't trying to say that I'm an expert, I was trying to say that previous impressions of its utility might be wrong due to recent advancements. | | | Thanks for your support. Free Plugins available here. Advanced plugins available here. Hey, new product!!! BDPFrog. | | | Last edited: by mediadogg |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 485 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mediadogg: Quote: Have you tried the AT&T translate app for Android?... Nope. My mobile phone is an HTC HD2 with MS Windows Mobile 6.5 with DVD profiler mobile working just fine. Spending a few hundred euro (multiply by 1.3 to get US $) for a more recent model is over budget for me. Rather like to spend it on Blurays... | | | Eric
If it is important, say it. Otherwise, let silence speak. | | | Last edited: by eommen |
| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,460 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting eommen: Quote: ... Rather like to spend it on Blurays... Oh yeah, I hear that! I just wonder why the studios don't make the information available in a database. Surely it must exist somewhere? One of my pet peeves for years has been that there are so many cases where computerized information is re-typed and re-entered manually by humans from a displayed or printed representation. Such as waste ... That's why I built DVDPca. At least we can capture that bit that is encoded on the DVD itself. | | | Thanks for your support. Free Plugins available here. Advanced plugins available here. Hey, new product!!! BDPFrog. | | | Last edited: by mediadogg |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 485 |
| Posted: | | | | Now that one is obvious. Studios make their money from showing movies in a theater, then publishing it on DVD/BR/cable/... Much info is also dispersed by fan media (think the gossip magazines on movie stars and crew etc.). So why make the effort to ready such databases for the public? It is money spent without revenue. And since glossies cover 'stars', who cares apart for some movies nerds (like us ). I sympatise (was that correct spelling ) with your pet peeve but I can't see the incentive for the studios to do it, sadly. And seeing the --too often-- spelling errors in first and surnames in credit scrolls, I'm not too sure it would be any better than IMDB . | | | Eric
If it is important, say it. Otherwise, let silence speak. |
| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,460 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting eommen: Quote: ... And seeing the --too often-- spelling errors in first and surnames in credit scrolls, I'm not too sure it would be any better than IMDB . So how do they get it faster than we do? | | | Thanks for your support. Free Plugins available here. Advanced plugins available here. Hey, new product!!! BDPFrog. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Is it really interesting to work on the "exactly as credits" concept ? It is for those people that want an easier way to enter credits AND want to contribute those credits. DJ Doena's plugin is a good choice for those that don't, but not for those that do. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mediadogg: Quote: So how do they get it faster than we do? They have industry contacts and connections that give them data well before a movie is released. For example, in 1999, the WGA began furnishing credits directly to IMDb. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,460 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting mediadogg:
Quote: So how do they get it faster than we do? They have industry contacts and connections that give them data well before a movie is released. For example, in 1999, the WGA began furnishing credits directly to IMDb. Well if they are not paying for that special treament, that seems like a violation of some kind of commerce laws. I hope I am not violating Forum Rules to talk about this. The WGA has a ".ORG" web site. Seems to me that they should provide the same service to any bona fide entity that requests it. Why can't Invelos get the same data feed? | | | Thanks for your support. Free Plugins available here. Advanced plugins available here. Hey, new product!!! BDPFrog. |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,744 |
| Posted: | | | | IIRC there is a thread out there where someone posts a list of fully audited cast/crew for movie XYZ. Maybe we should create a dead drop where the person who created the full audit also dumps the actual XML data for the cast and crew (i.e. the copy&paste data) and anyone who wants to take it for their locality can simply copy it from the dead drop and use it for his/her profile. That's IMHO better than the "copied from profile XYZ" where it's not clear if profile XYZ was ever properly audited and also you don't actually have to download profile XYZ and copy the data over. One of those site is pastebin.com. This is how it'd look like in reality (this is a paste of my Harry Potter audio book crew): http://pastebin.com/uihJ6zEq | | | Karsten DVD Collectors Online
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 485 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mediadogg: Quote: ...Well if they are not paying for that special treament, that seems like a violation of some kind of commerce laws. I hope I am not violating Forum Rules to talk about this. The WGA has a ".ORG" web site. Seems to me that they should provide the same service to any bona fide entity that requests it. Why can't Invelos get the same data feed? I agree that if the data link between WGA and IMDB is for "free", the WGA is providing, essentially, a public service. Perhaps Invelos could get the same feed, but has Ken ever tried to get it? I do not know. Also. because the data would come from the source (film companies feeding WGA) and Invelos receiving them legitimately, this would establish a legally correct sourcing from a third party db "for free". IMDB wouldn't have any ground to fight it, unless there would be something in the current WGA-IMDB contract that would fight off competition. But Invelos could make it WGA responsibility to guard against that, they should know their contract with IMDB. Mind you, it is not just getting the feed. You'll have to have something to do with the incoming data. That means at least three things. 1. Build the automated interface. Might not be as trivial as one might assume. 2. Align the "incoming" first name and surname with that of every cast/crew in the Invelos db, or do away with the Invelos-variant, or... That'll be a significant effort which I do not think can be fully automated. So Invelos would need the (recurrent) funds to pay the poor guy that does that job... 3. It would require the movie to be a seperate entity in the Invelos db, feeding down to every disk in every locality that contains the movie(*). This database restructure has been suggested a number of times from the user community already, but Ken hasn't taken up on it (yet?). In others words, it requires a next version of the online db and probably also of the PC and all mobile versions. (*) Yes, I know, there are examples where the credits differ per locality, but let's think about the big picture first. Locality variations could be a supplement to the stable core data of a movie, like the addition of local voice actors for the local language track. | | | Eric
If it is important, say it. Otherwise, let silence speak. | | | Last edited: by eommen |
| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,460 |
| Posted: | | | | Thanks guys. I am shaking in my boots. That was a far more encouraging response than I expected. I have no fear of the programming bits. We have plugin developers and XML/Script wizards around here that would eat that data for lunch. (@eommen, if you don't remember, do a search on DVDSpot for an exampe of what we can do - and there are other examples) And the contributions team will figure out the best way to handle the data per Invelos rules (or die trying! ) I wonder what Invelos thinks about this? Is it possible to get access to computerized Cast/Credit info? Could the Invelos site host DJs "dead drop" idea (or FTP or something).? The Community can do the programming work in the short run while Invelos decides the direction for the product. I can think of at least 6 plugins/tools that could take good advantage of that data. | | | Thanks for your support. Free Plugins available here. Advanced plugins available here. Hey, new product!!! BDPFrog. | | | Last edited: by mediadogg |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting mediadogg: Quote: Well if they are not paying for that special treament, that seems like a violation of some kind of commerce laws. I hope I am not violating Forum Rules to talk about this. The WGA has a ".ORG" web site. Seems to me that they should provide the same service to any bona fide entity that requests it. Why can't Invelos get the same data feed? I don't know whether or not they are paying for it, all I know is that they call it a 'partnership'. Since IMDb charges a licensing fee to use their data...for anything other than personal use...I have to believe there is some kind of quid pro quo. As for violating commerce laws, the WGA is a private organization, funded by its membership, so I don't think commerce laws would apply. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,339 |
| Posted: | | | | Great coversation here... I'll throw in my two cents...
I think the DVDPCa notion of "gleaning" is not only more in the spirit of DVD Profiler's history, but also the most legal. History here shows that the only source Invelos ever wants is direct from disc. History also shows that this place is in a time warp... everything moves slow around here, except for the 2 weeks a year we are in a beta cycle. While the idea's are great... the realist in me genuinely believes that Ken is never going to try to push an organization for data access, and also never going to pay to license IMDB. Karsten's tool is great, and he is 100% correct in the way he advertises it (doesn't)... I personally think it would be silly for a contributer not to use that as a start off point for a fresh profile... the keystroke savings alone is immense! Ultimately mediadogg's goal of gleaning the credits in a usable fashion is the most down to earth, legal, usable tool for the community... DVDPCa is awesome, and I hope these enhancements come sooner rather than later. | | | -JoN | | | Last edited: by ruineddaydreams |
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