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Thank you, DVD Profiler Community, for demonstrating my assumption.

The assumption that we are "happy" about it?  I am sorry but, much like I haven't seen you give a direct answer to a single direct question, I haven't seen a single person demonstrate your assumption.

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Quoting CalebAndCo:

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I am curious:  what legal activity are you unable to perform with a player crippled so?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=cinavia+legal

I would be very happy, if you would post the link straight to Google...That being said...

CalebAndCo asked a question.  What LEGAL activity are you prevented from doing with Cinavia.

It is illegal in the US (according to your profile, you are in the US), for you to circumvent any CSS on any commercial product.

Whether the law is a good one or not can be debated, but Cinavia does not prevent any legal activity in the US. 

So your inclusion of AnyDVD, into the discussion, and your admitted use could be considered piracy (I am not saying that you are, but by US law you could be).

So as to the question, what legal activity does Cinavia prevent?

P.S.  By the way, I did read the article from front to back, and the discussion on AnyDVD forums (also pointed to by your search). I think I do understand what is being done and how it is actually encoded into the audio stream.  It is actually more of a permission system, instead of a CSS system.  The Equipment actually detects for the Cinavia in the audio stream, then makes sure the equipment has permission to play that disc.  It is encoded differently in theater playback, so you could not play a theater recording in a blu ray player (which would be illegal anyway).  It also prevents you from playing a copied Blu-ray for the type of disk would be wrong for the Cinavia Encoding.  If the industry has there way, they will try to find a way to put it into DVD, at least till the format dies.

The whole issue with CSS and Cinavia would not be necessary, if people actually followed the law to begin with.  If people would quit burning discs from the library, or burning discs for there friends or knowingly purchase pirated BD's and actually pay for their product, then all this encryption would not be necessary.  Do not blame the industry for wanting to protect there rights, blame the people who want something for nothing.

So thanx for trying to insult me, but I do understand.  Aside from the way it is being implemented, it still is a content protection (anti piracy) system just as CSS was.

Charlie

Quoting CharlieM:

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It is illegal in the US (according to your profile, you are in the US), for you to circumvent any CSS on any commercial product.

Quoting CharlieM:

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The whole issue with CSS and Cinavia would not be necessary, if people actually followed the law to begin with.

You people really are amazing. Do you go way out of your way to make sure you do everything you're told to do? Or are you just strict parents doing the same thing with your kids that was done to you?

You aren't even worth a civil and courteous reply, when you think someone who sets up a PC Home Theater, or uses an Oppo or PS3 to stream a library of ripped discs, is "committing illegal activity" and is a "criminal." What else would one expect on a forum where a person who sells their old copy of MS Office is considered a criminal committing an illegal act? I still remember people like you who used to call people criminals back in the 90's when they modded their Playstations so that they could play overseas games. But I've never seen so many people with such attitudes who congregated in a single place.

I have to wonder... what would it take, to actually get you people upset? A wash machine or a dish washer that only accepted detergent in cartridges that had an authentication chip? A book that only displays text for a single person with a special medical implant? People getting arrested for watching a movie with a friend, because only one person actually bought a copy of the movie, and the other person didn't? How about everyone having chips implanted in their brains, and that chip is required in order to buy anything, or travel anywhere? Will you defend that? Would you call people who remove their chips criminals committing illegal acts?

The whole experience of reading the posts on this forum is like entering alternate reality zone. Aldous Huxley himself would have chills.

Charlie, Grendell,

Both of you make more effort in your posts to claim the moral (not per sé legal) high ground than discuss the Cinavia thingy. You'll never convince the other...

As I understand the Cinavia technology, it is not an encryption of the audio data stream but rather an addition. Technically that (IMO) means anything that removes or ignores Cinavia isn't violating any anti-decryption coding techniques prohibited by law (because it isn't decrypting the real audio data). Like leaving the cherry on the plate but eating the cake.
Of course this depends on the wording of the law (country dependent) and its interpretation by the courts (also country dependent). Unless Cinavia "is tested in the courts" we do not know what it'll be and again it may strongly be country dependent.
Then again, the Macrovision anti-copy "protection" did something similar but in the (then) analogue video stream. Circumventing Macrovision has been outlawed by the courts in many countries.

The aim of Cinavia seems to be to punish any perceived illegal copy. One of the issues is "perceived". As mentioned in the past it is completely legit in many countries to make a back-up of material you own. That may or may not (country dependent) include ripping a BluRay you own to a hard disk you own in a PC or media player. Cinavia prevents the realistic use of a backup, and thus may be violating basic consumer rights. Another thing is that copyrighting is time limited, even though there are the "Micky Mouse" extensions that now put it at an insanely high 70 years. But I haven't read about a time-based unlocking of Cinavia technology. Which is a separate violation of consumer rights.

Mind you, I am NOT advocating the circumvention of preventing piracy. And I DO have the opinion that all that movie and sound track copy distributing, be it via Usenet, illegal streaming, or whatever is a criminal intrusion into someone else's right to earn a decent living by creating a song, a movie, a book, whatever.
But I am also saying that those rights are not absolute and to be weighted against the reasonable rights of those who (legally) obtain a copy of said book, song or movie.

By making Cinavia mandatory to BluRay, by bodies in a country that is best facilitating the rights of, let's not mince words, "big money" and --as far as I can see-- ignoring reasonable consumer rights, the industry seems to be overreaching. But OTOH, nobody is obliged to step into BluRay. There is no legal requirement to buy into it.
By overreaching the industry only makes itself vulnarable to properly set-up legal challenges. Like DVD regions have been outlawed in Australia, if memory serves me well.

Going back to Grendell's original comment: insofar as Cinavia might prevent playback as indicated above, it is a crippling of your player. It does violate your right to have a functional backup of your material (in accordance with the law of your country). But the others have a point that for all OTHER practical purposes this does fight illegally obtained copies from, say, a concert, a cinema viewing etc. As far as the overreaching aspect of it, who'll be contesting it in court(s)?

Going back to the OP, anybody reading this thread should now be pretty much aware if and when your player is "playing up", when it can be attributed to Cinavia. For all other causes, see other previous posts.

When Cinavia was first put in play with Cyberlink's Power DVD player, an update to release 10, I had trouble playing Blu_rays because of the video chips in my PC. That when I first had investigate this.

But with my new PC and the latest Cyblink software and OPPO 93, (connected to Wifi, latest firmware) connected to a 3D LED TV I have had no trouble with any Blu_ray or 3D media.

Being a J. R.R. Tolkien fan for decades, Tuesday I received and watched The Hobbit: An Unexpected Journey: 3D, all 5 discs (3D, Blu_ray, Special Features, and DVD), and enjoyed it with no problems.