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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | But it's not an error per previous contribution notes. His contribution is correct.
If it's not in the contribution history notes it didn't happen.
So what if the next person who contributes a change to this profile, has not seen this thread and changes the regions. It should get yes votes, because a verification stating that it has 2,5 is not in the notes. It's not the OP responsibility to add notes in his contribution stating that the regions were checked by someone else. | | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
It's not the OP responsibility to add notes in his contribution stating that the regions were checked by someone else. No, but it's the OP's responsibility to submit correct data. If someone would point out a possible error, I would try my very best to backup "my" data. And it's not as if this would be witchcraft. For DVDs regions are quite easy to specifiy, even PowerDVD's Disc Info tool can do this. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Lewis_Prothero: Quote:
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It's not the OP responsibility to add notes in his contribution stating that the regions were checked by someone else.
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but it's the OP's responsibility to submit correct data. And it still is correct data. Whether it's 2 or 2,5 confirmed here means nothing until it's in that profiles contrbution notes. If it's not documented it never happened. If he's removing 5 because the case only reads region 2 then it is correct. It is the same as removing uncredited actors that have not been verified and noted in contribution notes. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | I don't get this... If a profile has Regions 2 and 5... and someone changes it to Region 2 only per box. As a voter I can't vote no just because the previous contributor didn't do complete notes on the original contribution?
As a voter I would pull the disc out... check the regions myself... and see that the original 2 and 5 is correct I can and should vote no to that contribution as it is removing correct and per rules info. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 18, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 1,646 |
| | Posted: | | | | I see it a bit differently since the region codes of 2 & 5 are already in the database. If a contributor is going to remove the region code 5 should they not have to verify that the change being made is correct? Simply relying on the region code information on the back cover is misguided as that information is frequently wrong. |
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting rdodolak: Quote:
I see it a bit differently since the region codes of 2 & 5 are already in the database. If a contributor is going to remove the region code 5 should they not have to verify that the change being made is correct? Simply relying on the region code information on the back cover is misguided as that information is frequently wrong. Just because it's in a profile doesn't make it correct. Shouldn't it be verified to be there. Initial contributions are the worst, no one to verify any information that is being contributed & lean contribution notes. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
And it still is correct data. Whether it's 2 or 2,5 confirmed here means nothing until it's in that profiles contrbution notes. If it's not documented it never happened. If he's removing 5 because the case only reads region 2 then it is correct. It is the same as removing uncredited actors that have not been verified and noted in contribution notes. In fact it's not the same. Tech Specs are much easier to verify (at least for DVDs) than uncredited cast. Cover info on Tech Specs is in fact wrong that often (not only regions, but Audio Tracks, Aspect Ratio, etc too) that the better way to verify them them is by using Disc Info tools. But you are missing my point: Why is it that the OP refuses to check if the data on the cover is correct? Even after a voter pointed out that this may be the case? Why, in case of an error, should it so hard to correct the contribution then? And the last "Why": After a "No"-vote and the resulting necessity to re-check the regions with a software tool, why not state in the notes that the regions were checked with tool XYZ + result. Once more: Evaluation process is for finding possible errors in a contribution. If a voter states to have found one it's the responsibility of the contributor to backup his data. If for what reason ever the contributor doesn't consider it to be necessary to do so, it, in fact, is the fault of the contributor, not of the voter. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
I don't get this... If a profile has Regions 2 and 5... and someone changes it to Region 2 only per box. As a voter I can't vote no just because the previous contributor didn't do complete notes on the original contribution?
As a voter I would pull the disc out... check the regions myself... and see that the original 2 and 5 is correct I can and should vote no to that contribution as it is removing correct and per rules info. But if you don't have the means to check the regions on a disc, then what. All you can do is vote yes or neutral or not vote. You couldn't check the previous notes, because there is nothing there stating that it is both regions. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | No matter what the previous notes say... if a voter verifies that a contribution is wrong in any way then it can and should be voted no to. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
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I don't get this... If a profile has Regions 2 and 5... and someone changes it to Region 2 only per box. As a voter I can't vote no just because the previous contributor didn't do complete notes on the original contribution?
As a voter I would pull the disc out... check the regions myself... and see that the original 2 and 5 is correct I can and should vote no to that contribution as it is removing correct and per rules info.
But if you don't have the means to check the regions on a disc, then what. All you can do is vote yes or neutral or not vote. You couldn't check the previous notes, because there is nothing there stating that it is both regions. Well that is on the voters that don't have the means to check . I have the means to check but yet I am not supposed to vote no to a contribution that I verify is removing correct and per rules info? | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
Just because it's in a profile doesn't make it correct. Correct, but if I change such data I should better be sure to correct an error and not to implement one. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 5,131 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote:
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I don't get this... If a profile has Regions 2 and 5... and someone changes it to Region 2 only per box. As a voter I can't vote no just because the previous contributor didn't do complete notes on the original contribution?
As a voter I would pull the disc out... check the regions myself... and see that the original 2 and 5 is correct I can and should vote no to that contribution as it is removing correct and per rules info.
But if you don't have the means to check the regions on a disc, then what. All you can do is vote yes or neutral or not vote. You couldn't check the previous notes, because there is nothing there stating that it is both regions.
Well that is on the voters that don't have the means to check . I have the means to check but yet I am not supposed to vote no to a contribution that I verify is removing correct and per rules info? So he pulls it, changes it back to 2,5 and resubmits his contributions. When does the Region 2,5 get verified in the notes. |
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| Registered: May 19, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 6,730 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting ateo357: Quote:
So he pulls it, changes it back to 2,5 and resubmits his contributions. When does the Region 2,5 get verified in the notes. Quoting Lewis Prothero ( from here): Quote:
After a "No"-vote and the resulting necessity to re-check the regions with a software tool, why not state in the notes that the regions were checked with tool XYZ + result. | | | It all seems so stupid, it makes me want to give up!
But why should I give up, when it all seems so stupid?
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | If he feels it is important he can add it to his notes when he re-contributes. If not anyone that feels it is important can at any time as was said earlier in this thread.... Quoting Kulju: Quote:
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I did confirm the Regions (2 & 5) with SlySoft AnyDVD.
You can always "contribute" just contribution notes afterwords. Just contribute any field, no matter what, add contribution notes you wish --> contribute --> withdraw. This way you wont be actually contributing anything, but your contribution notes additions will be added to that profile's contribution notes. Really not a hard thing to do... and it saves having to remove correct info only to have to recontribute the same correct info... adding more work to contributors, voters and screeners... not to mention the more time it would take to get the complete correct info into the profile. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: May 29, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 3,475 |
| | Posted: | | | | If a contribution has been accepted into the database and I want to change something, I try and make sure that the data I am submitting is correct.
Even if the documentation could have been better, once I received a "no" vote, that is a sign that there might be a problem. |
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| Registered: March 15, 2007 |  Posts: 1,982 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Kathy: Quote:
In either case, it is important to not consider votes as a "rejection". Exactly! Even if sometimes a "no" can be frustrating... Personally I never vote "no" without sending a PM first, unless the contribution is incredibly wrong. Sometimes I'm proved wrong in my thinking by going by PM first, so it avoids faulty vote casting... |
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