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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,436 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote: Don't be so bloody naive. Do you really think I'm the only one out of hundreds of thousands of users who feels this way? I won't give anybody else's name because I won't violate their privacy, but the person that introduced me to Profiler more than 5 years ago is one. In fact, he is even more ademant than I am about it -- to the point that he won't contribute anything and hasn't for a long time. Well, he one person you know is taking the proper road to keep his database clean. Don't contribute, don't download. As he is apparently not going to voice his opinion here (or maybe he will), we'll just wait for other users to chime in and request the feature to be opt-out and give us their view of the matter. | | | Achim [諾亞信; Ya-Shin//Nuo], a German in Taiwan. Registered: May 29, 2000 (at InterVocative) |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote: Maybe I'm just smarter than the rest of you. Not likely! | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | He's not playing copycat with the tin foil hat, Hal. Just maybe there is something to what he says. It doesn't take a lot of intelligence to play copy cat. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: He's not playing copycat with the tin foil hat, Hal. Just maybe there is something to what he says. It doesn't take a lot of intelligence to play copy cat.
Skip ^Ignore | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 810 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote: Quoting 8ballMax:
Quote: You're all saying "Lock your profiles if you don't like it". Well, fine...they can do that but that permanently precludes them from making any future updates to cast & crew for those profiles that contain "credited as" entries that they have not accepted. Is that acceptable? I don't know .
No, it isn't acceptable. At a minimum user level, I should ALWAYS be able to accept a download to get "as credited" data without having to also accept a lot of stuff that is useless to me.
But you can do this right now! The only time you will see the 'common name' is if you try to use the linking of cast and/or crew, which you claim you never use!Quote: I should also be able to contribute, at a minimum user level, "as credited" data without being penalized because it doesn't have common name stuff added to it. Notice I'm talking about the basic functionality here, not whether any more than that is good, bad, or otherwise.
You can, just skip the cast and/or crew if you are removing 'common name'/'credited as' linking. Quote:
Think of it as buying a car. There are certain basic features that come on the car. I should be able to go into the dealer and buy that car, and if I want to add other options I can do so - but its my choice. OK, so I am a good driver that will never get in an accident, why can't I buy a car without those useless seat belts! pdf | | | Paul Francis San Juan Capistrano, CA, USA | | | Last edited: by pdf256 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting pdf256: Quote: Quoting Rifter:
Quote: Quoting 8ballMax:
Quote: You're all saying "Lock your profiles if you don't like it". Well, fine...they can do that but that permanently precludes them from making any future updates to cast & crew for those profiles that contain "credited as" entries that they have not accepted. Is that acceptable? I don't know .
No, it isn't acceptable. At a minimum user level, I should ALWAYS be able to accept a download to get "as credited" data without having to also accept a lot of stuff that is useless to me.
But you can do this right now! The only time you will see the 'common name' is if you try to use the linking of cast and/or crew, which you claim you never use!
Quote: I should also be able to contribute, at a minimum user level, "as credited" data without being penalized because it doesn't have common name stuff added to it. Notice I'm talking about the basic functionality here, not whether any more than that is good, bad, or otherwise.
You can, just skip the cast and/or crew if you are removing 'common name'/'credited as' linking.
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Think of it as buying a car. There are certain basic features that come on the car. I should be able to go into the dealer and buy that car, and if I want to add other options I can do so - but its my choice. OK, so I am a good driver that will never get in an accident, why can't I buy a car without those useless seat belts!
pdf You obviously missed the point about contributions. If the cast section has 15 legitimate fixes, and one of those involves 'common name' then I can't make the contribution unless I leave that alone. But if I don't have those in MY database, then I still can't contribute it because it would break the link. Either way I lose out. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 Make America Great Again! |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | How exactly do you "lose out" by not contributing your incorrect cast list? | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote: You obviously missed the point about contributions. If the cast section has 15 legitimate fixes, and one of those involves 'common name' then I can't make the contribution unless I leave that alone. But if I don't have those in MY database, then I still can't contribute it because it would break the link. Either way I lose out. But that is a choice you have made. You have the other option of doing what, some, of the rest of us do. Back up the profile, change the entry to match what is being used online, contribute the correct changes and restore the profile back to the way you want it. Does it add an extra couple of minutes to the process? Yes it does but, if contributing is that important to you, it isn't an unreasonable amount of time. By the same token, if a profile you want to d/l contains a 'common name/as credited' entry you can make note of that cast member, download the profle and then change that one entry back to the way you want it. Does it add an extra couple of minutes to the process? Yes it does but, if downloading updates is that important to you, it isn't an unreasonable amount of time. At least that is how I see and do it. Your mileage will vary. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Quoting Rifter:
Quote: You obviously missed the point about contributions. If the cast section has 15 legitimate fixes, and one of those involves 'common name' then I can't make the contribution unless I leave that alone. But if I don't have those in MY database, then I still can't contribute it because it would break the link. Either way I lose out.
But that is a choice you have made. You have the other option of doing what, some, of the rest of us do. Back up the profile, change the entry to match what is being used online, contribute the correct changes and restore the profile back to the way you want it. Does it add an extra couple of minutes to the process? Yes it does but, if contributing is that important to you, it isn't an unreasonable amount of time.
By the same token, if a profile you want to d/l contains a 'common name/as credited' entry you can make note of that cast member, download the profle and then change that one entry back to the way you want it. Does it add an extra couple of minutes to the process? Yes it does but, if downloading updates is that important to you, it isn't an unreasonable amount of time.
At least that is how I see and do it. Your mileage will vary. No, it isn't a choice I made. It was something forced on me. I'm tired of being the one who always has to give in. You guys screamed and kicked until you got duplicate data in boxset master profiles; now you want your way again, and to hell with what anybody else might want. You don't even want to support Ken making it chooseable. There's also no reason why Ken can't make it a choice that bypasses it, either. Timewise, you're right; a couple minutes is no big deal -- if its only a few profiles. But what happens if you get thirty or forty like that? That couple of minutes just turned into an hour, maybe more. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 Make America Great Again! |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote: No, it isn't a choice I made. It was something forced on me. I'm tired of being the one who always has to give in. You guys screamed and kicked until you got duplicate data in boxset master profiles; now you want your way again, and to hell with what anybody else might want. You don't even want to support Ken making it chooseable.
There's also no reason why Ken can't make it a choice that bypasses it, either. Timewise, you're right; a couple minutes is no big deal -- if its only a few profiles. But what happens if you get thirty or forty like that? That couple of minutes just turned into an hour, maybe more. Go back an read my first post on this. I questioned the demand for this feature, I never said I wouldn't support it...it is up to Ken to decide whether or not this was important enough to consider. If he does, I will support it. If he doesn't, then you will have to live with it. Such is the nature of things around here. As for you always being the one who has to give in...give me a break. For the longest time, the people who wanted the ability to link actors had to give in and you were quite happy telling them they had to live with it. I find it funny, now that the shoe is on the other foot, that you aren't willing to accept the same solution. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Unicus69: Quote: Quoting Rifter:
Quote: No, it isn't a choice I made. It was something forced on me. I'm tired of being the one who always has to give in. You guys screamed and kicked until you got duplicate data in boxset master profiles; now you want your way again, and to hell with what anybody else might want. You don't even want to support Ken making it chooseable.
There's also no reason why Ken can't make it a choice that bypasses it, either. Timewise, you're right; a couple minutes is no big deal -- if its only a few profiles. But what happens if you get thirty or forty like that? That couple of minutes just turned into an hour, maybe more.
Go back an read my first post on this. I questioned the demand for this feature, I never said I wouldn't support it...it is up to Ken to decide whether or not this was important enough to consider. If he does, I will support it. If he doesn't, then you will have to live with it. Such is the nature of things around here.
As for you always being the one who has to give in...give me a break. For the longest time, the people who wanted the ability to link actors had to give in and you were quite happy telling them they had to live with it. I find it funny, now that the shoe is on the other foot, that you aren't willing to accept the same solution. The difference is, I never said I wanted to prevent anybody from having linking. NOT ONCE. I just said *I* don't want it, rather don't need it. But I don't hear anybody saying anything but "NO" to my request to make it optional. Ken could make that way, but I got at least one person saying he didn't want Ken wasting programming that in place of other things. That tells me its okay for some people to want things, but not okay for those who don't. And don't try to tell me I'm crazy. I can read what people post as well as you can. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 Make America Great Again! |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,777 |
| Posted: | | | | As far as I'm concerned, if Ken can easily implement it, I don't see any harm in having it. It's not a feature I would personally use, but I don't begrudge anyone else the desire for it. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 810 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote: ... No, it isn't a choice I made. It was something forced on me.
What is forced on you? Even if 'common name'/'credited as' is used the 'as credited' name will be displayed! Quote: I'm tired of being the one who always has to give in. You guys screamed and kicked until you got duplicate data in boxset master profiles; now you want your way again, and to hell with what anybody else might want. You don't even want to support Ken making it chooseable. ... What is there to choose? The data you want is there! You claim to never use linking or headshots, so why do you care? pdf | | | Paul Francis San Juan Capistrano, CA, USA |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote: The difference is, I never said I wanted to prevent anybody from having linking. NOT ONCE. I just said *I* don't want it, rather don't need it. But I don't hear anybody saying anything but "NO" to my request to make it optional. Ken could make that way, but I got at least one person saying he didn't want Ken wasting programming that in place of other things. That tells me its okay for some people to want things, but not okay for those who don't. And don't try to tell me I'm crazy. I can read what people post as well as you can. You are crazy because I am an 'anybody' and I didn't say 'NO' to your request. As a matter of fact, I said it could be workable. As for the rest, nobody said you couldn't 'want' things. You can want anything you desire. However, the fact that you want it doesn't mean everybody else has to agree. I thought that was the point of this forum...for people to request something they want and other people to agree or disagree. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,692 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
The difference is, I never said I wanted to prevent anybody from having linking. NOT ONCE. I just said *I* don't want it, rather don't need it. ...
Quoting Rifter: Quote:
I can read what people post as well as you can. we can do that as well.. Quoting Rifter: Quote:
want the ability to turn off linking completely. I don't need it, and don't want to have to deal with it--at all! By that I mean, that with such a switch turned ON, no common name data is downloaded to me when I do weekly updates, and no common name data is uploaded BY me when I make a contribution.
If you did what you want then you are removing data from the database. i.e. common name information is being stripped from that profile if you download (stripping off common name) and then upload (ignoring common name). so if a single profile had a commonn name entry (which you wouldn't see anyway since you don't bother with name linking) then after you have downloaded/uploaded any changes everybody else has lost this. | | | Paul |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting pdf256: Quote: Quoting Rifter:
Quote: ... No, it isn't a choice I made. It was something forced on me.
What is forced on you? Even if 'common name'/'credited as' is used the 'as credited' name will be displayed!
Quote: I'm tired of being the one who always has to give in. You guys screamed and kicked until you got duplicate data in boxset master profiles; now you want your way again, and to hell with what anybody else might want. You don't even want to support Ken making it chooseable. ... What is there to choose? The data you want is there!
You claim to never use linking or headshots, so why do you care?
pdf And you don't know what the hell you're talking about. I never said I don't use linking, and I do use headshots, and have never said any different. Are you too bloody stupid to understand plain english? The current method of linking (pre 'common name') is perfectly adequate in my opinion on the rare occasions when I use it. What I want is a checkbox or flag of some sort that tells the downloaded profiles to just not add common names to the local files, and by the same token, it skips over any entry on an update without dumping the rest of the update. Nobody loses. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 Make America Great Again! |
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