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OK, Ken informed me that NR and Adult ratings are obligatory.

Remember the ratings are matched to the US rating system internally (G, PG, PG-13, R, NC-17). Therfore, according the information on this thread, I would propose 3 = G, 7/11 = PG, 13 = PG-13, 15 = R, 18 = NC-17. But in the end you Finnish guys (and then Ken) have to decide.

@Rho:
Your proposition makes perfect sense (although I began wondering, how and why are the ratings actuallly  "matched" with U.S. ones?). It appears, however, that with purely local (Finnish) standpoint it would be wiser to combine 13 and 15. JaLe asked for information directly from VET (our equivalent to your MPAA) and he quoted the reply from the intendent there in his latest message. I won't translate it further, but the essential content there is that ratings class 13 was adopted only in the beginning of 2007, and up until that point most of the U.S. PG-13 movies had been rated here at 15 rather than at 11. She suggests combining classes 13 and 15.

... and back to Finnish  :

Tuon JaLen saaman vastauksen perusteella itse olen edelleen sen 13 ja 15:n yhdistämisen kannalla, mutta katsellaan tosiaan mitä Ken vastaa niiden luokkien määrän mahdolliseen lisäämiseen liittyen ennen kuin vatvotaan tätä tämän pitemmälle... Ja jos täällä kuitenkin päädyttäisiin suosittamaan 11 ja 13:n yhdistämistä, eipä sekään maailmaa kaataisin.

Dont know if anyone has pointed this already somewhere, but apparently we got 3 new ratings, see:

http://www.vet.fi/elokuvat_ikarajat_ja_merkinnat.php

New ratings are:


Unclassified. The programme has been sent on television and it is not considered harmful for persons over 7 years of age. Not recommended for persons under that age. (Section 4 a)


Unclassified. The programme has been sent on television during a weekday after 5 pm. and it is not considered harmful for persons over 11 years of age. Not recommended for persons under that age. (Section 4 a)


Unclassified. The programme has been sent on television during a weekday after 7 pm. and it is not considered harmful for persons over 13 years of age. Not recommended for persons under that age. (Section 4 a)

I found it funny that they added back the "Not recommended", which kinda pisses all over the rated ratings, which prohibit the viewing.

Also, since were talking ratings, how would people add that DVD's rating (check back cover):

http://www.discshop.fi/shop/ds_produkt.php?lang=&id=54646

(Checked from VET, its rated 15 and will add it by that. Just thought it was funny that a small company like SonyPHE doesnt even know that its illegal to invent new ratings )

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I do not think that we ever see these ratings on DVD boxes. I believe that they are only for services like Yle Areena, Katsomo.fi. Just like the descriptions say: "Unclassified. The programme has been sent on television and it is not considered harmful for persons over 7 years of age. Not recommended for persons under that age."

Could be. I thought that it was because the "Pieni talo preerialla" made so many headlines, that they desided to do something about it. Meaning that since it was shown on TV to minors, they can use the same "rating" on DVD. Time will tell.

It appears that these new ratings really are for cases like "Little House on the Prairie" which currently carries the unclassified-18 rating. However, this new ruling came into effect on July 1st. Therefore "Tabu - Isänmaansarja" can not hold any of these new ratings. These new ratings are for television programs which will be or have been aired between 5pm and 9pm.
http://www.vet.fi/tiedotteet/vet_tiedote_2009_07_01.php (in Finnish)
http://www.vet.fi/english/tiedotteet/Lainuudistus-%20ja%20valvontamaksutiedote_eng.pdf (in English)

If I understand correctly, these new ratings can only be used if the program has been aired on Finnish television and then distributed eg. on DVD.

It looks like these need to be added in DVDP.

<Locality Description="Finland" ID="16" DVDRegion="2" BDRegion="B">
<Ratings Description="Uudet ik&#228;rajat" ID="0">
<Rating LegacyValue="1" Name="3" Description="Sallittu kaikenik&#228;isille" Age="3"/>
<Rating Name="[3]" Description="Tarkastamaton, sallittu kaikenik&#228;isille" Age="3" Variant="1"/>
<Rating LegacyValue="2" Name="7" Description="Kielletty alle 7-vuotiailta" Age="7"/>
<Rating Name="[7]" Description="Tarkastamaton, ei suositella 7 vuotta nuoremmille" Age="7" Variant="2"/>
<Rating LegacyValue="3" Name="11" Description="Kielletty alle 11-vuotiailta" Age="11"/>
<Rating Name="[11]" Description="Tarkastamaton, ei suositella 11 vuotta nuoremmille" Age="11" Variant="3"/>
<Rating Name="13" Description="Kielletty alle 13-vuotiailta" Age="13"/>
<Rating Name="[13]" Description="Tarkastamaton, ei suositella 13 vuotta nuoremmille" Age="13" Variant="4"/>
<Rating LegacyValue="4" Name="15" Description="Kielletty alle 15-vuotiailta" Age="15"/>
<Rating LegacyValue="5" Name="18" Description="Kielletty alle 18-vuotiailta" Age="18"/>
<Rating Name="[18]" Description="Tarkastamaton, kielletty alle 18-vuotiailta" Age="18" Variant="5"/>
</Ratings>
<Ratings Description="Vanhat ik&#228;rajat" ID="1">
<Rating Name="S/T" Description="Sallittu kaikenik&#228;isille" Age="1"/>
<Rating Name="S/T 6" Description="Suositusik&#228;raja 6 vuotta" Age="6"/>
<Rating Name="S/T 8" Description="Suositusik&#228;raja 8 vuotta" Age="8"/>
<Rating Name="S/T 10" Description="Suositusik&#228;raja 10 vuotta" Age="10"/>
<Rating Name="S/T 12" Description="Suositusik&#228;raja 12 vuotta" Age="12"/>
<Rating Name="S/T 14" Description="Suositusik&#228;raja 14 vuotta" Age="14"/>
<Rating Name="K/F 16" Description="Kielletty alle 16-vuotiailta" Age="16"/>
</Ratings>
</Locality>

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It appears that these new ratings really are for cases like "Little House on the Prairie" which currently carries the unclassified-18 rating. However, this new ruling came into effect on July 1st. Therefore "Tabu - Isänmaansarja" can not hold any of these new ratings.

but it does... [11]

OK. I do not argue on what they have printed on the case. It still has to be an error. If there is the VET registration number (50780 in Tabu's case) on the rating symbol, then it certainly is an error, since these new ratings will not carry the VET registration numbers. Tabu has been classified on January 16th, 2007. Therefore it can not have an unclassified rating.

It more or less looks like we can't rely on the rating info on DVD boxes. More reliable source is vet.fi. Or elonet.fi, there you can also find the original ratings before the current law. Vet.fi does not show that info.

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I'm guessing they got the info on the new ratings, and started using them before they became "official".

Is there a recent re-release of Tabu? Original release is from 2007.
Why would they re-label it with a new un-classified 11-rating when it already has a classified 11-rating? I'd still say it's an error/misprint. Secondly, based on Tabu's airing time (eg. Subtv: 4.3.2007, 22:00) it can not have this new un-classified 11-rating. And finally, if the tv program is already classified by VET, it is a binding decision, the distributor can not use other rating.

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Jos ohjelma on sekä esitetty televisiossa että tarkastettu elokuvatarkastamossa, on noudatettava elokuvatarkastamon ikärajapäätöstä.

It does seem more logical to split them. As far as the brackets go, its fine by me either way.

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I was just wondering... if we have these new unclassified ratings implemented in DVDP, should we split the rating systems in three:
- Uudet ikärajat, tarkastetut = 3, 7, 11, 13, 15, 18
- Uudet ikärajat, tarkastamattomat = [3], [7], [11], [15], [18]
- Vanhat ikärajat = S/T, S/T 6, S/T 8, S/T 10, S/T 12, S/T 14, K/F 16

That way it would be easier to choose the correct rating. Without splitting the list of ratings becomes quite long. I'd still prefer the square brackets with the unclassified ratings since they visually differentiate unclassified ratings from the classified.

Sounds good to me, so +1.