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Are you satisfied? Cast/Crew linking: Your opinion and ideas |
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Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: Interesting idea Cubby, but in those cases you would have to know when their first credit was. Where would this info come from? In my suggestion from the online database. So perhaps it wouldn't be the the first credit ever, but the first credit in database. |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
Imagine only having to fix one Matrix profile instead of god-knows how many! With my idea the linking would be corrected at all actors when a change of the common name happens. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote:
Your system will not prevent contributor's work and reseach for linking. I give a fictitious example. A new actress is credited in her first movie Marie-Josée Délène. She is credited in dvdprofiler Marie-Josée//Délène. In her second movie, she is credited MARIE JOSEE DELENE. As the system works today, she will be credited as Marie/Josee/Delene with no CLT result.
Which automatic system will link those two names if nobody makes a research to say that MARIE JOSEE DELENE is Marie-Josée Délène ???
This is quite true, however, the research would only have to be done once and all future instances, whether accented or not, would automatically be linked for every single profile with no additional work. Will it require programming changes....absolutely! Would it be worth the effort...IMHO, absolutely! | | | Hal |
| Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,656 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: See HERE for my previously documented views on this subject! | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Quoting surfeur51:
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Your system will not prevent contributor's work and reseach for linking. I give a fictitious example. A new actress is credited in her first movie Marie-Josée Délène. She is credited in dvdprofiler Marie-Josée//Délène. In her second movie, she is credited MARIE JOSEE DELENE. As the system works today, she will be credited as Marie/Josee/Delene with no CLT result.
Which automatic system will link those two names if nobody makes a research to say that MARIE JOSEE DELENE is Marie-Josée Délène ???
However, the research would only have to be done once and all future instances, whether accented or not, would automatically be linked for every single profile with no additional work.
Will it require programming changes....absolutely!
Would it be worth the effort...IMHO, absolutely! I agree completely, hal. BTW surfeur, in your example your are once again focusing on the "Correct" or "Real" name, not the Crdeited Name. Now how could resolve such a tie, well my first comment would be who cares relative to an actress with such a thin resume, that she has only two movies to her credit and two different credits. However, surfeur in such a case if you can document Marie-Josée Délène, and I do mean document, i don't mean well she's french and this is the way we do things in France...No, that don't work and that does not represent documentation. But IF you can provide documentation I would have no problem supporting such documentation to break a tie. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote: But IF you can provide documentation I would have no problem supporting such documentation to break a tie. Can't you read posts before making comments? I wrote it was a fictitious example to illustrate the problem. In this example she was credited Marie-Josée Délène in her first movie : documentation should be screencap of end credits. then she was credited MARIE JOSEE DELENE in her second movie : documentation should be screencap of end credits. Was she really the same actress ??? Yes !!! documentation : screencaps of her beauty spot on the left buttock in both movies... And to take a real example, in the database we have: marie-josee croze marie josée croze marie-josée croze of course none is linking... | | | Images from movies | | | Last edited: by surfeur51 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | The problem with your approach, is that it assumes everybody will see MARIE-JOSEE CROZE and know there should be accented letters there. I am willing to bet that most people won't and that is why Ken decided on a one to one conversion. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | No, I think at least part of Surfeur's idea is that the program should ignore accents when linking names, so it would see:
marie-josee croze marie josée croze marie-josée croze
all as the same person, without us needing to manually link the names ourselves. |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: No, I think at least part of Surfeur's idea is that the program should ignore accents when linking names, so it would see:
marie-josee croze marie josée croze marie-josée croze
all as the same person, without us needing to manually link the names ourselves. So for the program would be marie-josée croze = marie josee croze and it would automatically link to this? |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Edit: oops, I just saw the missing hyphen. Yeah I suppose it's possible for it to ignore hyphens too, but not sure how much trouble that would cause. | | | Last edited: by northbloke |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
Quote: But IF you can provide documentation I would have no problem supporting such documentation to break a tie.
Can't you read posts before making comments?
I wrote it was a fictitious example to illustrate the problem.
In this example she was credited Marie-Josée Délène in her first movie : documentation should be screencap of end credits. then she was credited MARIE JOSEE DELENE in her second movie : documentation should be screencap of end credits.
Was she really the same actress ??? Yes !!! documentation : screencaps of her beauty spot on the left buttock in both movies...
And to take a real example, in the database we have: marie-josee croze marie josée croze marie-josée croze
of course none is linking... Fictitious example or NOT,is irrelevant. i told you how I would handle it and how I could vote yes to you. Bu the point still remnains, Surfeur, that you don't give a fliop about the Credit, you don't give a fluip that Ken has repeatedly said we are not after "real" or "correct" name. YOU ARE and you will cry about it at every opportunity you can find. How many of the people on planet earth do you really believe that youm possess sufficient knowledge of them to be be able to say what their Real Nqame is, how many people in France can you say that about, you can reach all sorts of conclusions, some correct and some not correct, but the number of people which you have sufficient initmate knowledge to be able categorically state this is the REAL name is but a small handful of people. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I also take note that while you are ctying about this name, you evidently have not reveiewed them to discover that there are significant examples of crossover data, data which in all likelihood has at some point benn entered incorrectly, this is particularly true of marie-josée croze, which i would be willing to guess that in several cases her data has been entered by some name expert like yourself, without regard to what the real data actually says. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: January 1, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,087 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: The problem with your approach, is that it assumes everybody will see MARIE-JOSEE CROZE and know there should be accented letters there. I am willing to bet that most people won't and that is why Ken decided on a one to one conversion. I think this was his idea. That's why I would wish the program would check for the most common credit by itself. So in this example, if Marie Josée Croze would be the most common it would go like this: User A knows the most common credit and knows it is the same person, so he gives Marie Josée Croze the credit and writes as per Ken's clarification credited as Marie-Josee Croze. User B has no idea that MARIE-JOSEE CROZE could be written different and he types the credit as Marie-Josee Croze. If User B uploads his profile the program check if there are any links to Marie-Josee Croze in the whole online database and links User B's credit for her automatically to Marie Josée Croze. (most common credit) Perfect would it be of course if the program would check the links in all directions and at the same time checks what is the most common credit and does the linking to the correct most common credit. And most perfect would be if then all links in would be changed to the most common credit in online database at the same time. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote: No, I think at least part of Surfeur's idea is that the program should ignore accents when linking names, so it would see:
marie-josee croze marie josée croze marie-josée croze
all as the same person, without us needing to manually link the names ourselves. I could be wrong but, based on his first post in this thread, that isn't how I took it. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote: Fictitious example or NOT,is irrelevant. i told you how I would handle it and how I could vote yes to you. Bu the point still remnains, Surfeur, that you don't give a fliop about the Credit, you don't give a fluip that Ken has repeatedly said we are not after "real" or "correct" name. YOU ARE and you will cry about it at every opportunity you can find. How many of the people on planet earth do you really believe that youm possess sufficient knowledge of them to be be able to say what their Real Nqame is, how many people in France can you say that about, you can reach all sorts of conclusions, some correct and some not correct, but the number of people which you have sufficient initmate knowledge to be able categorically state this is the REAL name is but a small handful of people. You're tied up in the current system. We're talking about how it would ideally work. Is correct accenting any more difficult to determine than correct capitalization? |
| Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: I am willing to bet that most people won't and that is why Ken decided on a one to one conversion. 1st case : contributor does not care and enter one to one conversion. No common name, no linking. 2nd case : contributor tries to make a good job. In particular, he has to check if there is in CLT a common name. During this research he will find the correct name. Ken's clarification leads to mediocrity. The contributors have not to care about what they enter, and we get no linking. If Rules said that names must be entered with capitalization rules of the country of the actor, people would do a minimum of research. Is this more work ? Yes Shall we get correct linking doing nothing ? No Is it more important to spend one minute to google "Marie-Josee Croze" to find correct accentuation than to type bold and italics in overview, or spend one hour to enter 25 sound guys : IMHO, yes. | | | Images from movies |
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