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| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 5,459 |
| | Posted: | | | | I think for subtitles, the easiest option I can think of anyway, is to introduce a checkbox marked "none".
That way you can tell the difference between no subtitles and unchecked subtitles. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation:  |  Posts: 4,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I think for subtitles, the easiest option I can think of anyway, is to introduce a checkbox marked "none".
That way you can tell the difference between no subtitles and unchecked subtitles. While that could work, a checkbox is not really ideal, as checkboxes are normally used for options that are not mutually exclusive. I'm trying to think of a better solution that doesn't become clumsy, but offhand I can't think of one...  | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 287 |
| | Posted: | | | | Add the language 'none'? Or is that what you mean by checkbox? Quoting GSyren: Quote:
Quoting northbloke:
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I think for subtitles, the easiest option I can think of anyway, is to introduce a checkbox marked "none".
That way you can tell the difference between no subtitles and unchecked subtitles.
While that could work, a checkbox is not really ideal, as checkboxes are normally used for options that are not mutually exclusive. I'm trying to think of a better solution that doesn't become clumsy, but offhand I can't think of one... | | | | Last edited: by JeroenX |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Yes Jeroen,
Adding the language "None" as a checkbox would mean that you could check both "None" and one or more other languages. Ken could of course program around this, but that would be the normal - and expected - function of a checkbox. A group of checkboxes should contain non-exclusive options. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
Yes Jeroen,
Adding the language "None" as a checkbox would mean that you could check both "None" and one or more other languages. Ken could of course program around this, but that would be the normal - and expected - function of a checkbox. A group of checkboxes should contain non-exclusive options. I've seen software before that used a list of checkboxes where one of them was mutually exclusive from the rest and when checked would disable the others. The same could be done here. If "None" was selected then the rest could be greyed out and vice versa. |
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| Registered: September 18, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,650 |
| | Posted: | | | | Or the option of none could also be a way of signifying no forced subtitle track when selected with another option.
Example:
French is selected = forced.
French and none are selected = optional. |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 8,738 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting samuelrichardscott: Quote:
Or the option of none could also be a way of signifying no forced subtitle track when selected with another option.
Example:
French is selected = forced.
French and none are selected = optional. In which case, we'd tick "None" for the majority of all DVD releases, and then the entire point of Pete's feature request would vanish into thin air...  |
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| Registered: July 31, 2008 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 2,506 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting samuelrichardscott: Quote:
Or the option of none could also be a way of signifying no forced subtitle track when selected with another option.
Example:
French is selected = forced.
French and none are selected = optional. I've got to say that I would find that confusing. I don't look at "None" and think "Optional". |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: |  Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Formerly known as...: Quote:
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Yes Jeroen,
Adding the language "None" as a checkbox would mean that you could check both "None" and one or more other languages. Ken could of course program around this, but that would be the normal - and expected - function of a checkbox. A group of checkboxes should contain non-exclusive options.
I've seen software before that used a list of checkboxes where one of them was mutually exclusive from the rest and when checked would disable the others. The same could be done here. If "None" was selected then the rest could be greyed out and vice versa. I seen this as well... and how I always pictured it in my head. | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting Formerly known as...: Quote:
Quoting GSyren:
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Yes Jeroen,
Adding the language "None" as a checkbox would mean that you could check both "None" and one or more other languages. Ken could of course program around this, but that would be the normal - and expected - function of a checkbox. A group of checkboxes should contain non-exclusive options.
I've seen software before that used a list of checkboxes where one of them was mutually exclusive from the rest and when checked would disable the others. The same could be done here. If "None" was selected then the rest could be greyed out and vice versa. Yes, like I said, Ken could program around this. But that creates a non-standard user interface. Exclusive options should use radio buttons. Non-exclusive options should use checkboxes. It's always best to stick with generally accepted standards in user interfaces, if possible. | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 17,334 |
| | Posted: | | | | If he would rather make it a radio button I am fine with that too... as long as the end result is the same I don't mind either way!  | | | | Pete |
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | | Posts: 2,759 |
| | Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote:
While I agree with the rest you say, you may not have thought the last bit through...
If every checkbox was three-state (and supposedly set to NULL per default) then you would have to uncheck every subtitle language that is not present. So for a title without subtitling you would have to uncheck 56 checkboxes. I don't think that would be very popular.
But if you treated subtitles (and possibly features) in another way, then I think it might be feasible. Three state check boxes for subtitles would not be very clever, I agree. I have proposed those for independent check boxes such as features and video formats. In the case of features (trailers, featurettes...) I would actually prefer that the default state would be unknown for each individual box and every one where the feature was absent would have to be set to no by hand like going trough a check list when creating the profile. |
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | | Reputation: | | Posts: 4,694 |
| | Posted: | | | | RHo, The reason I'm ambivalent about Features is how you would treat the current profiles. Would you convert unchecked features to undetermined, or would you keep them unchecked? Since unchecked should mean "determined not present", keeping them unchecked would create a lot of false data. On the other hand, converting them to undetermined would open up for a lot of work to be re-done in order to fix them. I'm not sure what the best solution would be...  | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users.
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