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Invelos Software, Inc. RepresentativeKen Cole
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Copying cast and crew entries from another entries is permissable.  Just list that as your source.  You should try to verify that the version of the film is the same before the copy, and be sure to check the contribution notes of the source profile.
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Copying cast and crew entries from another entries is permissable.  Just list that as your source.  You should try to verify that the version of the film is the same before the copy, and be sure to check the contribution notes of the source profile.


Good to hear. Should keep me in the game for a while.
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I don't think so you are using imdb as a source, what is not allowed due to copyright issues?


That would be plain ridiculous... it's not like you actually copied it, especially in the case of merely a title. Maybe we should have some code, like : got the info from BDMI .

This is not a wink wink, nudge nudge "rule".  We do not want IMDB data, or data from any third party database, entered into DVD Profiler.  The reason for this is that they have invested much time and money (as we have) into generating and maintaining their database.  Copying their database is theft.  If that weren't enough reason, third party databases routinely spike their data with "poison" data - false data designed to identify and prove cases of theft.

The requirement for naming the source is not designed to allow Invelos plausible deniability.  If the submitted data came from the IMDB or another source, we need to know that so we may properly decline the submission.  Falsely stating the source of data in an attempt to bypass this will result in an immediate and permanent ban from contributing.


This explanation should be put into the rules - as the current rules don't adress the issue properly. It would make it alot easier I think....

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Copying cast and crew entries from another entries is permissable.  Just list that as your source.  You should try to verify that the version of the film is the same before the copy, and be sure to check the contribution notes of the source profile.


Ken, I take this to mean that if the contribution notes of the source profile do NOT specify the actual credits as source for the data, then the data from the source profile MUST be checked before submitting the new profile?

There are still a lot of profiles with incorrect data, and copying such a profile from one region to another would only increase the amount of incorrect data in the database.
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Copying cast and crew entries from another entries is permissable.  Just list that as your source.  You should try to verify that the version of the film is the same before the copy, and be sure to check the contribution notes of the source profile.


Ken, I take this to mean that if the contribution notes of the source profile do NOT specify the actual credits as source for the data, then the data from the source profile MUST be checked before submitting the new profile?


That's not what Ken said though. He said say your source is another regions/versions entry AND confirm the two are the same if possible (eg. don't assume an extended or uncut edition has the same credits).
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Invelos Software, Inc. RepresentativeKen Cole
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Ken, I take this to mean that if the contribution notes of the source profile do NOT specify the actual credits as source for the data, then the data from the source profile MUST be checked before submitting the new profile?

Just make sure your notes are accurate - if the source profile indicates a correct source, put that in the contribution notes.
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If you're looking for role names for actors, one of the best places is TCMDB.com.  Turner Classic Movies is not affiliated with IMDB, and I have found their stuff to be dead on accurate - so far.  Plus, Turner Broadcasting owns a huge chunk of the older films in existence, so they are often the only source for many of these older movies.  Whenever possible, however, the best way to get the role name is to watch the movie/episodes in question and pick up the names that way.  Use the database as a backup.

But John, isn't tcmdb.com just another third-party database, no matter how accurate it is?

(Not that I don't use it myself for things . )
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There are numerous sources that can be used, I will never reference IMDb and I don't believe I ever have, I MAY use them as a springboard to other sites, for example an actor's official site may be linked there. The possibilities for references are endless which is why we have been unable to consolidate them into a list, I think Ken's comments relative to NOT using ANY third party database is clear and concise and nothing further is needed.

For those who wish to copy another Profile and Contribute on that basis. I would not have problem with it with some caveats. I assume we would be talking about a title which has been previously audited. If that is the case, then I would say exercise some care, I won't name names, but there are users who I personally have a high degree of confidence in the work that they do, and while I don't do it myself, would not have a problem with someone copying that file, there are others that I don't. I typically don't copy another file for the reason that it represents another pair of eyes on the data and IF everything is cool then I am comfortable locking down the data at the Online data.

The standards which I apply to my work are among the highest there is, if not the highest, ANYONE that wishes to discuss that or learn more about what I do and why are fre to PM anytime.

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Ken, I take this to mean that if the contribution notes of the source profile do NOT specify the actual credits as source for the data, then the data from the source profile MUST be checked before submitting the new profile?

Just make sure your notes are accurate - if the source profile indicates a correct source, put that in the contribution notes.

That sounds reasonable, of course.

If, I am to vote for, say, a contribution where the notes only state Cast/crew copied from region 2 UK DVD (without saying anything about the region 2 DVD's sources), then I would vote No, since I have no way of knowing where the data in the region 2 profile is taken from.

If the notes said Cast/crew copied from region 2 UK DVD, contribution notes verify data added from actual credits then I would have no problems voting Yes.
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I don't think so you are using imdb as a source, what is not allowed due to copyright issues?


No statement has ever been made that IMDb cannot be used as a reference source! 
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People don't like you using info from IMDB.


it's the IMDb that don't like people using them as a source; they have threatened legal action in the past which is why the Rules say not to use them (any 3rd party database)


And the myth has now become fact! 
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That is a depressing thought. I find errors in IMDb listings weekly. I would sooner accept "consulted a psychic than IMDb as a source of information."

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If you're looking for role names for actors, one of the best places is TCMDB.com.  Turner Classic Movies is not affiliated with IMDB, and I have found their stuff to be dead on accurate - so far.  Plus, Turner Broadcasting owns a huge chunk of the older films in existence, so they are often the only source for many of these older movies.  Whenever possible, however, the best way to get the role name is to watch the movie/episodes in question and pick up the names that way.  Use the database as a backup.


And how is TCMDB not a third party database?
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I never use IMDb data, but I often copy cast and crew data from other regions to my locality. Am I now required to verify data that has already been accepted in the database? I think I'll just stop contributing cast and crew entirely and keep it locked and local...
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I never use IMDb data, but I often copy cast and crew data from other regions to my locality. Am I now required to verify data that has already been accepted in the database? I think I'll just stop contributing cast and crew entirely and keep it locked and local...


This is where we're headed......no doubt.

If certain users think they are doing the majority of the contributions now, they'll be doing all of them soon, because no one will have the time or inclination to provide all of the "proof" required.

So be it!
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I think one of the main issues with quoting sources is only listing a single source.  Whether it be IMDB, TCMDB, Wikipedia, etc. Typically, if I'm going to contribute a change to a profile that is possibly questionable I will always try to list at least 3 different sources.  It's easy for 1 source to be incorrect, but less likely that 3 different sources are all incorrect.  The caveat of course is being careful to use sources that are clearly different and not all just sharing/scraping the same info.
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