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You're right, this isn't bullying. I think in my time on here I've only seen one situation that maybe bordered on that description. So maybe bullying was a bad choice of word.

Perhaps, but I think it fairly accurately describes the feelings of the people so effected.

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I'm still hoping that the situation can be defused before it gets to the stage of people being banned or the installing of moderators.

So am I. The first sounds to much like the stifiling of opposing views, while the second creates a management structure that does not necessarily work.

I still think that certain people need to be taken aside by those they seem to respect and be given a little talking to about acceptable behaviour. Since they do not respect the members of this forum (old and new), then it needs to be done by someone else....

The only people that could do that are Ken and Gerri, but for some reason they won't do it. If fact one user when I asked him to tone it down in a PM told me that because Ken has not asked him to be more polite, he has no need to.

I have wondered more than once if Ken likes the fighting on the forums.  

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So when I see others quote themselves when they were trying to use edit to fix an error in a post I always think what a maroon.

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When I see someone who lacks the ability to present a logical and cogent argument I think....


Skip

Then enjoy it, Funky.

Skip

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But: I think if John Doe is blocked by - lets say 20 - of the regularly participating users, this tells me, that he is not accepted by the community. And thougt further: not accepted -> not valued -> not part of the communty -> no right to publish...

I could imagine to calculate an acceptance factor like summing up the "number of posts" of all users who blocked a person - the higher this factor the less the acceptance of the person in the community...

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All this blocking and wishes for other means of policing things smacks of political correctness, and nothing good comes from going down that path.  In fact, if you go far enough down that road you end up with police states and dictators.  I rather somebody had the testicular fortitude to call a bastard to my face than hide behind some PC block.  That's the coward's way of dealing with things.

Getting a bit back on topic, I really have to agree with Rifter, and that is rare. But indeed as soon as we have to start watching out for the things we write it is over. If you don't like something said, say it to that person. Maybe he/she should be more tolerable and say sorry, but just blatantly 'globally' blocking a user is sooo dead wrong!

We are all adults, in one way or another

I, when I think back at it, might have said things about a country that might have not been in place. Sorry for that and didn't mean no harm, just a little teasing.

But johnd when you post that Skip is driving possible customers away that is right up that alley, if you don't mind me saying so

What I meant was that your post, in either this, or another topic, where you claim that Ken/Gerri should, lets say, ban Skip because he is chasing people/customers away.

By blocking users, or just by banning them, we are not really on a free forum anymore, and we have to watch out for what we say. What is next, who is going to decide what I can or cannot post?

We all make stupid posts in which we write things we might think off, later on, maybe I should not have written that.

And these last topics 'Bullying' and `Does DVDP bullying keep you away?` are just examples of putting more oil on the fire (If that is indeed a saying).

The forum will be more spilt up by these types of topics than actually coming to an agreement. Yes we are indeed talking about it, but then again, are we getting anywhere? I think not.

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30+ new posts and not one cat macro.

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Someone who submits very good profiles, but is unable to interact on the forums in an acceptable manner?

From my point of view forums shouldn't be mixed up with contribution and private messaging. - They are completely different forms of communication.

Regards, AA

From what I've seen so far, I think that it's worth discussing options.

I agree that the forum block is a weak solution that ignores the problem rather than dealing with it. From the invelos side, I think that the 'report bad post' idea is probably the most useful, and I don't think that it will stifle VALID free speech (I don't consider put downs because of someones occupation to be reasonable and I think removing them will have nothing but a positive effect on health discussion).

I don't think that any automated system will work at all.

I constantly change my mind about moderators. Sometimes I think they're good because they have authority, but sometimes I think this makes people rely on them rather than facing the problem themselves. For example, for dropping litter in a busy street, ten people turning round and telling them off will have much more of an effect than hoping a policeman will spot it and issue a fine.

I think that I'm of the opinion that if several people (note the 'several') call someone out on an unreasonable comment (without engaging in a discussion about it), that will have the most impact. Especially if there is an expectation of an apology if several people call it out.

Using the Topic Post Count Per User post as an example (because it has several potential points of contention and I read it recently), I see the following as being worthy of being called out:

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Skipnet50's first post (specifically the last three words - I don't have tat much of a problem with the rest).
Nadja's post

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Skip - French comment
Nadja - called someone 'delusional'

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Rifter - Yahoo comment
surfeur51 - intentionally inflammatory
Rifter - reference to users intelligence

This thread had quite a bit of heat in it, some childish comments, but I think those above overstepped the mark. You may be surprised by some of my choices here, but it's just the way I read them - specifically, how different in tone, (but not content) the thread would be if you mentally blocked out those comments. The fact that some may disagree with some of my assessments of acceptable is why I think a number of responses is of value.

Let's say we did start calling people out. What would you say?

- ^Ignore
- Don't feed the troll
I think that both of these are slightly inflammatory in themselves.

- sticks and stones...
Because this sounds like a parent to  a child, I've always thought it sounds somewhat superior, and in my experience often results in someone going looking for a stick or stone.

- [Quote] This comment is unnecessary, please apologise.
It's neutral, but... I don't know.

Any further thoughts?

Stuart