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I notice since last March you have made LESS than 100 Contributions while in the same period i have made 700, why not be helpful for a change. PLEASE.

Skip

I don;t know when you made up these stats, but they are total crap!

I take the stats from your stats and mine, are you telling me the stats are not correct. Though I will qualify it, the stats indicate that you have had less than 100 Contributed Profiles accepted since last March. ROFL. sorry guy the numbers are what they are.

Skip

I guess it's time to have this conversation again for the umpteenth time.

1.  Nobody gives a damn how many contributions you've made
2.  Number of contributions does not give you the right to break the Rules
3.  Participation in these forums does not have ANY contribution requirement attached to it.
4.  The right to whine (as you put it) also does not have any contribution requirement attached to it.
5.  You have no more power or influence around here than anyone else and no right to tell people to do anything, including stop posting, stop whining, contribute more, or stop picking on poor Skip.

Your solution to contribute profiles for DVDs that you do not have is a violation of the Rules because you cannot validate that the R1 credits are actually the same as the credits for the other region.  Since you do not have the DVD you cannot take the credits from the film's credits of the DVD you are profiling!

This problem is huge...350,000+ profiles huge.

It cannot be fixed by you, even if what you were proposing were not against the Rules.

Ken is the only person that can fix the problem and several suggestions have been made on how to do it.  Nothing I can do will make any difference in a problem of this proportion.  I will continue to fix my own collection ad contribute those to the main database.  I'll do my small part.  If everyone else does theirs, then eventually we will get there.

Your statistics are complete crap Skip.  Just on Star Trek TNG, Deep Space Nine and Voyager I have contributed well over 100 profiles in the last two months.

You should spend less time trying to keep track of what other people are doing.  It's none of your business!

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The biggest flaw in your argument hal, is trying to pretend that is against the Rules and you are once again dead wrong. You are creating an interpretation to fit your own purposes to be disagreeable, once again as usual. You seem to believe that you KNOW the Rules and you don't . There is nothing in the Rules that can be interpreted as you are interpreting. You quoted the Rule correctly but your interpretation is self-serving.

Once again all you have the ability to do is carp. You recognized FINALLY that there is a problem. But your suggested fix is lame.

I have said this begore,hal. you have an ego that is self-inflated almost to point of unbelievabiliy, you really do need to get over yourself. Unlike you I don't harbor grudges and carry on public vendettas. When you come up with something worthy of discussion I be most pleased to discuss it, sdadly I doubt that will happen anytime real soon.

Skip

Skip...meet mirror.

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Your solution to contribute profiles for DVDs that you do not have is a violation of the Rules because you cannot validate that the R1 credits are actually the same as the credits for the other region.  Since you do not have the DVD you cannot take the credits from the film's credits of the DVD you are profiling!

Sorry if I must correct you, but the rules just mention that the credits must be taken from the film the DVD is not mentioned.
So for making a valid contribution according to the rules you just have to watch the end credits and note them.
If you could please show me where it's pinned down that therefore I a) need a DVD with the UPC for which I contribute and b) have to own the DVD.

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Your solution to contribute profiles for DVDs that you do not have is a violation of the Rules because you cannot validate that the R1 credits are actually the same as the credits for the other region.  Since you do not have the DVD you cannot take the credits from the film's credits of the DVD you are profiling!

Sorry if I must correct you, but the rules just mention that the credits must be taken from the film the DVD is not mentioned.
So for making a valid contribution according to the rules you just have to watch the end credits and note them.
If you could please show me where it's pinned down that therefore I a) need a DVD with the UPC for which I contribute and b) have to own the DVD.

This is the worst kind of word parsing.

Does that mean that I can take the credits from the original release of Star Wars and enter them into the Episode IV version?

Or can I use the credits from Gaslight (1944 US) and copy them to Gaslight (1940 UK).

The only way to validate the credits is to copy them directly from the credits of the DVD you are profiling.

This is advocating sheer anarchy in entering credits!

Unbelieveable.

Hal's example may be a bit too extreme, but his point is a valid one.
I can think of at least two Hollywood films where credits vary according to the region they were released in. There has been at least one example where the credits varied between SD and HD versions in the same locality!
Without owning the disc, it is impossible to know that the data you're copying over is accurate, and I cannot support any moves to do such a thing unless Ken gives his express permission to do so.

But we still have to remember this is Ken's database and any large-scale altering like this should have his blessing. I don't think any moves should be made towards this until we hear from him.
I also feel if something like this goes ahead, we need some form of vetting system in place otherwise we'd have people copying credits all over the place all with different entries and different common names, all believing that their own list follows the rules. There needs to be something in place that allows a concensus opinion over which credit list should be the one used.

I missed that post, probably got lost among all the bitching!
I remember a feature request for something similar a while ago, and supported it then. The idea of a reference profile on which individual profiles are based on is good. But are we talking about a major restructuring of the database and program here? I'm not a programmer so can't really judge the work involved.

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This is the worst kind of word parsing.

Does that mean that I can take the credits from the original release of Star Wars and enter them into the Episode IV version?

Or can I use the credits from Gaslight (1944 US) and copy them to Gaslight (1940 UK).

No you can't and you know that!
Because it's not the film just a film.
So who is advocating and turning words now??

I'm so sick of it. Everytime someone turns up and has an idea how this mess could be consolidated there are people who just see the flaws in the idea (which exist, I grant you that), but never ever do anything to improve things, or even have better ideas.
For me this discussion is over.
I'll keep it, like I did before. Keep my profiles locked.
Sorry Skip, I really thought there was a light at the end of the tunnel, but it turned out to be an oncoming train.

And just how do you know that there are no differences between releases from different regions without actually having the DVD and comparing them?