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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantAscended_Saiyan
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There is one thing i wonder about the console wars and all, when you combine the best parts of all consoles it still wouldnt come even close to how good a PC is, how many games it has etc. Console players used to say that you didnt need to install games, and the load times were quicker etc. But that really isnt the case anymore. So what does the console have that you people buy them? Exclusive games?

Generally, it's the exclusive games for a lot of people.  At this stage, the only things that PC gaming has over console gaming are ALL related to RAM (memory).  Resolution and more of the same effects and textures are generally based on memory.  I've seen some technical feats pulled off in Killzone 2 that I haven't seen in PC gaming, yet (especially on the physics side of things).

Remember the graphics cards that are in these consoles (referring only to PS3 and X360 of course), are similar to the ones that were providing 1680x1050 resolutions in PC games not too long ago.

When consoles are just launched, they can have more capability than high end gaming PCs.  The problem is that developers don't figure out how to use that power until much later.  By that time, PCs have caught up and past those capabilities.  There is nothing new to really learn in PC game development.  They use the same tools and generally the same coding practices over decades.
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Some say that most don't know that they can play movies on the PS3 and others say " you can play games on the PS3?". The only people that I know that own a PS3 bought as a Blu-ray player.

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/08q1_sony.pdf

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PS3 sold 22.8 million units, vs 4.7 in Q1 07.

I just wanted to prove that PS3 owners, generally, buy LOTS of games for the PS3.  So...the PS3...not just a Blu-ray player for most people. 
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That means you are able to swing one arm and shift your body from left to right.

That proves my point you really have not played.
Boxing on the Wii takes both arms and the Wii Fit board is side to side and front to back, also has to do with balance. It check body weight and Body Mass Index.

Dance pad
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That means you are able to swing one arm and shift your body from left to right.

That proves my point you really have not played.
Boxing on the Wii takes both arms and the Wii Fit board is side to side and front to back, also has to do with balance. It check body weight and Body Mass Index.

Dance pad

Just disregard the DDR pad, right?  You have to because the Wii doesn't have that ability and it proves there is MORE interactivity on the PS2.  I can't believe you listed checking body weight and mass as a form of interactivity.    I'll never look at my girl's scale the same again. 
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That's a cop out.  It's just someone trying to justify why their purchase was worthy.  When their is nothing to really justify it, they fall back to the old "I can't play these games on another platform".  That is the underline point you seem to have missed.  You can find similar games on just about every platform that yields a similar experience.  If you are looking for games that are only from Nintendo 1st party developers, then it doesn't matter whether the console has a Wii-mote/Wii-Fit or not.


First, I have no purchase to justify as I got the system for free...to be precise, I didn't purchase any of the 3 systems I currently own...but, hey, don't let the facts get in the way here.   

Second, as I have explained before, similar games are not the same as the exact same game.  My kids like the Nintendo characters.  You can't get those on other systems so your statement is meaningless

Third, who are you to decide what is and isn't a worthy purchase for someone else?
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First, I have no purchase to justify as I got the system for free...to be precise, I didn't purchase any of the 3 systems I currently own...but, hey, don't let the facts get in the way here. 

For you, specifically, change "purchase" to "ownership".  Now, it's been pulled "off the rack" and tailored to fit you. 

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Second, as I have explained before, similar games are not the same as the exact same game.  My kids like the Nintendo characters.  You can't get those on other systems so your statement is meaningless

Then, it's basically like I posted a little while ago.  For people that claim it's only Nintendo's 1st party games that matter, their console could be $1000 with no controllers at all and you would buy it.  You would have no choice if ONLY Nintendo 1st titles quench your gaming thirst, right?  For the most part, that is what you seem to be saying. 

In that case, the Wii, in it's currect form, doesn't matter at all to you.  It's just a means to an end (just an avenue for playing 1st party Nintendo games).  Then, your statements from start to finish was just one huge ball of bait to have another argument with me (that seems to be your M.O.).  I suspected that from the beginning, but I figured I'd give you what you wanted anyway.  You just can't let things be.  Then, you try rally some people together with key words and trying to villianize me for bringing forth logical point).  Finally, when I logically poke holes in the statements you and erected crew, you backtrack to some earlier statement you made (as if I hadn't already dealt with that previous statement.  This isn't the 1st or 10th time doing that.  It just about the same way every time.

Please come up with a different method.  This is one is tired.

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Third, who are you to decide what is and isn't a worthy purchase for someone else?

There is the backtracking statement I just mentioned. 

All points of argument have been thoroughly dealt with.  I'm not dealing with anymore Wii responses as they seem to be all answered by my previous posts (especially now that a previously made statement has resurfaced).  Plus, this is OT.  The Wii isn't even mentioned in the OP's linked article (for obvious reasons). 
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For you, specifically, change "purchase" to "ownership".  Now, it's been pulled "off the rack" and tailored to fit you. 


My point still stands.  My kids like the Nintendo characters and games.  That is all the justification I need for owning it.

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Then, it's basically like I posted a little while ago.  For people that claim it's only Nintendo's 1st party games that matter, their console could be $1000 with no controllers at all and you would buy it.  You would have no choice if ONLY Nintendo 1st titles quench your gaming thirst, right?  For the most part, that is what you seem to be saying.


No, that is not what I am saying, that is how you are trying to twist it to make your point...what that point is, I don't know, but there it is.

Personally, I would never spend $1000 on a console...though I have seen people spend a lot more.  To be honest, I never planned on buying the Wii.  My kids were quite happy with the Game Cube, and still are, so I saw no reason to upgrade.  Had I not gotten it for free, we still wouldn't have it.

In hindsight, however, seeing how much fun it has been for me and my kids, I would have been quite happy spending the $249 for the system.

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In that case, the Wii, in it's currect form, doesn't matter at all to you.  It's just a means to an end (just an avenue for playing 1st party Nintendo games).  Then, your statements from start to finish was just one huge ball of bait to have another argument with me (that seems to be your M.O.).  I suspected that from the beginning, but I figured I'd give you what you wanted anyway.  You just can't let things be.  Then, you try rally some people together with key words and trying to villianize me for bringing forth logical point).  Finally, when I logically poke holes in the statements you and erected crew, you backtrack to some earlier statement you made (as if I hadn't already dealt with that previous statement.  This isn't the 1st or 10th time doing that.  It just about the same way every time.


Oh come on.  Yes, my original statement...about how the passing fad of the Wii is still going strong and beating the crap out of Sony and MS...was designed to poke a stick in your direction.  The rest, well, you brought that on yourself with your idiotic statements.  Sorry, but you can't blame me for your bad assumptions.

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All points of argument have been thoroughly dealt with.  I'm not dealing with anymore Wii responses as they seem to be all answered by my previous posts (especially now that a previously made statement has resurfaced).  Plus, this is OT.  The Wii isn't even mentioned in the OP's linked article (for obvious reasons). 


First, you haven't dealt with anything.  All you have done is spout the same rhetoric that the rest of the 'elite gamers', who can't understand how people can actually enjoy the Wii, have spouted.  You really aren't so arrogant that you believe something can't be fun unless you are able to have fun on it...are you?

Second, do you promise?  This forum would be so much nicer if you kept your biased opinions to yourself.

Third, are you new?  Off topic is the norm for these forums and if you don't like that, you are free to stop participating. 
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Wow, some things never, ever, ever change.

To answer your question Unicus, yes, I think he really is that arrogant...Hmm, that felt good after all this time. 
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Some say that most don't know that they can play movies on the PS3 and others say " you can play games on the PS3?". The only people that I know that own a PS3 bought as a Blu-ray player.

http://www.sony.net/SonyInfo/IR/financial/fr/08q1_sony.pdf

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PS3 sold 22.8 million units, vs 4.7 in Q1 07.

I just wanted to prove that PS3 owners, generally, buy LOTS of games for the PS3.  So...the PS3...not just a Blu-ray player for most people. 


But what about PS4?
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First, I have no purchase to justify as I got the system for free...to be precise, I didn't purchase any of the 3 systems I currently own...but, hey, don't let the facts get in the way here. 

For you, specifically, change "purchase" to "ownership".  Now, it's been pulled "off the rack" and tailored to fit you. 

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Second, as I have explained before, similar games are not the same as the exact same game.  My kids like the Nintendo characters.  You can't get those on other systems so your statement is meaningless

Then, it's basically like I posted a little while ago.  For people that claim it's only Nintendo's 1st party games that matter, their console could be $1000 with no controllers at all and you would buy it.  You would have no choice if ONLY Nintendo 1st titles quench your gaming thirst, right?  For the most part, that is what you seem to be saying. 

In that case, the Wii, in it's currect form, doesn't matter at all to you.  It's just a means to an end (just an avenue for playing 1st party Nintendo games).  Then, your statements from start to finish was just one huge ball of bait to have another argument with me (that seems to be your M.O.).  I suspected that from the beginning, but I figured I'd give you what you wanted anyway.  You just can't let things be.  Then, you try rally some people together with key words and trying to villianize me for bringing forth logical point).  Finally, when I logically poke holes in the statements you and erected crew, you backtrack to some earlier statement you made (as if I hadn't already dealt with that previous statement.  This isn't the 1st or 10th time doing that.  It just about the same way every time.

Please come up with a different method.  This is one is tired.

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Third, who are you to decide what is and isn't a worthy purchase for someone else?

There is the backtracking statement I just mentioned. 

All points of argument have been thoroughly dealt with.  I'm not dealing with anymore Wii responses as they seem to be all answered by my previous posts (especially now that a previously made statement has resurfaced).  Plus, this is OT.  The Wii isn't even mentioned in the OP's linked article (for obvious reasons). 


Seriously, is your EGO that raging huge???  You question him for being argumentive with you???  Your entire existance upon these forums has been about force feeding your insulting and belittling opinions upon everyone on these forums since day one, whether about your fanboyish love of all things SONY or about your complete disdain for all things NOT sony!!!  And it doesn't matter whether or not you try to be civil, your true nature shines through eventually because you have some obsessive disdain for anyone who doesn't have "I Love SONY" tattooed upon their ass...it doesn't even matter if they say anything negative about SONY, you get riled up even when someone posts something as simple as "I love the Wii" or something similiar. 

For you to actually post here and argue whether or not anyone made a worthy purchase when they waited in line to get the elusive Wii is completely assisine and egotistical to the extreme!!!  Why can't you just realize that as human beings we are all different, not everyone is going to love exactly what you love, but constantly pointing out what you love as being superior is basically nothing more than an inferiority complex!!!
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"Seriously, is your EGO that raging huge???  You question him for being argumentive with you???  Your entire existance upon these forums has been about force feeding your insulting and belittling opinions upon everyone on these forums since day one, whether about your fanboyish love of all things SONY or about your complete disdain for all things NOT sony!!!  And it doesn't matter whether or not you try to be civil, your true nature shines through eventually because you have some obsessive disdain for anyone who doesn't have "I Love SONY" tattooed upon their ass...it doesn't even matter if they say anything negative about SONY, you get riled up even when someone posts something as simple as "I love the Wii" or something similiar."


Oh yeah! Calidain says it like it is!
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Yeah, I kind of got a kick out of that one too. Woohoo!
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Seriously, is your EGO that raging huge???  You question him for being argumentive with you???  Your entire existance upon these forums has been about force feeding your insulting and belittling opinions upon everyone on these forums since day one, whether about your fanboyish love of all things SONY or about your complete disdain for all things NOT sony!!!  And it doesn't matter whether or not you try to be civil, your true nature shines through eventually because you have some obsessive disdain for anyone who doesn't have "I Love SONY" tattooed upon their ass...it doesn't even matter if they say anything negative about SONY, you get riled up even when someone posts something as simple as "I love the Wii" or something similiar. 

For you to actually post here and argue whether or not anyone made a worthy purchase when they waited in line to get the elusive Wii is completely assisine and egotistical to the extreme!!!  Why can't you just realize that as human beings we are all different, not everyone is going to love exactly what you love, but constantly pointing out what you love as being superior is basically nothing more than an inferiority complex!!!

Well put Calidain, and right on the money.
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Personally, I look at the numbers: http://www.vgchartz.com

I have been watching as the gaming market has shifted from an Atari world to a Nintendo world, to a Sega world, back to Nintendo, then Sony, then Microsoft, and back to Nintendo.

I've witnessed Sony insult all of the Sony fanboys: (E3, when the PS3 price was announced) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH2w2l1JTs4

I've witnessed Xbox360 actually OUTSELL PS3 in JAPAN (June or July of this year).

I've also witnessed Nintendo Wii dominating the market literally everywhere it is released.

FWIW, Nintendo can't keep then on shelves for a couple of reasons.  They're still extremely high in demand everywhere.  Here in Grand Rapids, they still sell out every weekend they are shipped.  And the value of the American dollar is less than that of the British dollar, so they ship more Wii Fit over there than here (rumor).

Quite frankly, number of games does not equal the "better" console.  How many games can you play at one time?

But if numbers are where it's at, EA Games announced regret at choosing the PS3 and Xbox360 this time around, and reallocated people to teams to fast track over 40 new games for Wii.

Personally, I have both a Wii and an Xbox360, and for my dollar, Wii has provided a far more engaging and entertaining experience.  I've even been able to play it online ( ) for free!  I like that better than paying for Xbox Live or whatever it is that the PS3 has.  (not only that, but I don't have to put up with potty-mouthed 12-year-olds swearing every other word and thinking that it's cool)

I think that if Microsoft comes out with Motion control, and Sony does as well, I'll stick with Nintendo.  They've been prepping that technology since the POWER GLOVE, and I trust them to do it well, and they've got the games that I love.  Nintendo doesn't just have mascots... they've Legendary characters.

In the end, what it really comes down to, is what you love to play, perhaps your friends, and if you're still having fun playing it.  Is that the PS3?  So be it.  Microsoft Xbox 360?  Great, have fun.  Nintendo Wii?  Excellent choice, you won't be disappointed.
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Personally, I look at the numbers: http://www.vgchartz.com

Many people have warned others not to depend on VGChartz do to it's inaccuracy.  There were some crunched numbers for VGChartz's numbers.  They found out that VGChartz ALWAYS overestimates the X360 numbers and almost always underestimates the PS3 numbers.  The Wii numbers have been close.

I have been watching as the gaming market has shifted from an Atari world to a Nintendo world, to a Sega world, back to Nintendo, then Sony, then Microsoft, and back to Nintendo.

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I've witnessed Sony insult all of the Sony fanboys: (E3, when the PS3 price was announced) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IH2w2l1JTs4

Please.  You can NOT find another product that gives you all the functionality that the PS3 does for the amount of money it launched for ($500 - $600) and what it now costs ($400 - $500).  That is a fact.  That isn't an insult.  That video edit is just Xbot fanboy stuff.  I could be here all night countering that crap.

If Sony has insulted Sony owners (is that what you meant by Sony fanboys since that video edit was a dig at PS3 owners in general?); what is paying for XBL, HDMI is not needed for gaming, all X360 multiplatform games will look better than PS3, failure rates are 5%, etc, etc?  Since, I noticed the lack of negative statements for the X360.

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I've witnessed Xbox360 actually OUTSELL PS3 in JAPAN (June or July of this year).

That was one week (due to a new game)...not a month.

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I think that if Microsoft comes out with Motion control, and Sony does as well, I'll stick with Nintendo.

Sony had it before Nintendo.  What do you think the Sixaxis is?  The Wii-mote only responded to the X and Y plane.  That's why they recently announced the add-on for 6 axis-like detection of motion.  Of course, developers won't be able to create all new games with this functionality.  That is the fate of an add-on.  That's why Nintendo decided to build a console around the the add-on that was to be for the Gamecube.

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In the end, what it really comes down to, is what you love to play, perhaps your friends, and if you're still having fun playing it.  Is that the PS3?  So be it.  Microsoft Xbox 360?  Great, have fun.  Nintendo Wii?  Excellent choice, you won't be disappointed.

I agree with this except the last line.  That depends on the person.  There are more than a few people that are disappointed with the Wii (I'm one of them).  Maybe that's because they expected too much out of it.  $250 is a lot of money for the level of tech in that device.  But, if you enjoy the Wii, you enjoy the Wii.  Just don't try to force/convince others to enjoy it or to hate the PS3.  I don't think that's a difficult request for reasonable people.  What do you think?

I wonder why is it that everytime a positive PS3 (as a gaming console) thread is created the Wii or some negative statement has to be brought up?  Look at the threads here.  It's an interesting trend.
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