Quoting Telecine:

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We need a system like that implemented for subtitles so that users can check one or many CoO for a given title.

I think that the easiest solution is just to add every country and be done with it.

This seems like the most logical solution to me.

Skip,

Please explain how you need 600 hours...?

If you have any DVDs with films from (currently) unlisted CoO:s then you will have left the CoO blank. If new countries are added you can let them stay blank. That takes NO time, and you have the same data as you have today and as you would have with Other; the option you advocate.

Alternatively, you can sort by CoO and get all your profiles that lack CoO sorted together and check them. I don't know how many you have that might be from a currently unlisted country, but I bet it wouldn't take long to go through the list to find possible candidates for new CoO. It's even easier if you use the Database Query Plugin.

So what's the problem?

/Gunnar

Quoting synner_man:

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I think the easiest solution to CoO would be to make an open field, like Rating.  This would allow any country to be included, as well as multiple CoOs. We could then handle films like "Lord of the Rings" that has ping-ponged between the US and New Zealand without problem.

Great idea.
Maybe the second one a 'type in' optional. There are just to many CoO films that were, are and maybe that might come DVD.

More very good films from Iran
- Baran
- Children of Heaven; Bacheha-Ye aseman
- The Color Of Paradise; Rang-e khoda
- The Hidden Half, Nimeh-ye penhan
- Leila
- Taste of Cherry; Ta'm e guilass
also by Abbas Kiarostami
- Close-Up; Nema-ye Nazdik

Hey how about -
Chac: The Rain God, Panama, language - Tzotzil
Before the Rain, Pred dozhdot, Republic of Macedonia
The Cuckoo, Kukushka, language - Saami
Do You Remember Dolly Bell?, Sjecas li se, Dolly Bell, Yugoslavia, Serbo-Croatian
Himalaya, Himalaya: l'enfance d'un chef, Nepal, Tibetan
and
The Legend of Suram Fortress / Ashik Kerib, Georgian

Threads like this depress me,  so I called Lifeline. ..
Got a freakin' call center in Pakistan . I told them I was suicidal .
They got all excited and asked if I could drive a truck .

Next time you try to find the CoO in the list, type the first two letters into the box... Oh my, that saves circa 5 seconds, no wait, that means you save 600 hours....

And if it takes you 5 seconds to scroll one option further, you should try an other method: pull the scroll bar down to the end and right above Vietnam is the option for the United States.

Be honest with us and yourself, you simply are offended that someone would dare to voice their approval to this idea.

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Quoting synner_man:

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I think the easiest solution to CoO would be to make an open field, like Rating.

Do you mean Rating Details field? Rating is a closed dropdown menu. My knowledge about databases is limited, but I've lived under impression that everytime that there is an option to select between list and open field, list should be used. That way same data is written to database only once.

Yes, I meant the Rating Details field.  The idea is that existing CoOs would be converted to simple text (so it would read "United States", "France", "Japan", etc.) in the new field, leaving the blanks available for new countries.  As for Multiple CoOs, we just add a simple slash and the additional countries (i.e. "United States/France/United Kingdom").  It could be done in order of production company, if we are looking for a rule to order them.

My own collection has many films (at least 50) from countries not currently listed in DVD Profiler.  There are films from Chile, Iran, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Jamaica, Philippines, etc.  Not to mention being able to specifically list films from countries that have changed (being able to list Soviet Union for films under that time period, but Russia for current films, or Yugoslavia versus Croatia and Serbia).

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Quoting skipnet50:

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I explained that. What is hard to understand, the math is incredibly easy. The longer the list the more time needed to wade through it. My best guess is approximately 5 seconds per Profile, I have over 7000 total Profiles, 5 seconds times 7000 titles equals 35,000 seconds which equals nearly 600 hours of additional time.

If the CoO field didn't have a type-ahead function, I'd agree with you, Skip.  The only reason you'd have to "wade through" a long list is if you didn't know what the country was beforehand.  Since we do have the type-ahead function, I don't see that the length of the list has much to do with finding a specific country.  50 countries or 500 countries (or 5,000 countries) -- I don't see how very much time would be lost.  If we had to scroll through the list manually (without being able to type ahead) then it would be a different story.

Having the ability to spell helps a lot too .

Quoting hal9g:

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Quoting Telecine:

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We need a system like that implemented for subtitles so that users can check one or many CoO for a given title.

I think that the easiest solution is just to add every country and be done with it.

This seems like the most logical solution to me.

I agree. It solves the missing country problem and the multi-national production problem.

Also, the accountant in me has to point out that 5 seconds per 7,000 profiles is 35,000 seconds or 583 minutes or 9.72 hours. And that 9.72 hours would only be true if all COO's had to be changed. If the number of missing countries is small, the amount of time needed to address changes required by the implementation of this feature request would be much less.

We get new fields or changes in every new release that require all profiles to be updated. This is nothing new.

Giving us the chance to get the COO field fixed up with complete and correct data would be a good thing.

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Once again FH your post is loaded with insukts, including your comment regarding database knowledge.

What insukts did I made?

Is true I criticate what you are doing, critics that try be constructive, but I never insukts you. You only can see that you can see.

Don't mistake critics with insukts. These is false acusation that try affect to my reputation.

Please, finish with these. World not end and star only in you.

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is loaded with insukts, including your comment regarding database knowledge. Son, I have forgotten more about databases and their design than you are EVER going to know. I've only been designing them for over 20 years and my wife for 25, some of the biggest in use in this country and world wide.

Dady, I am free for believe that you say. That is internet and not all say true.

Dady, be years in one thing not allwais is equal to know about things.

Dady, experience don't do to one be correct.

Dady, with these I am not saying nothing about your knwlonges or about your.

About databases in that post, I only made an argument, explanaition, that is the people do in one discusion. I don't say you don't know its. Is your problem to undestand that, but your problem is only your's.

Argueed is good. Please, argued about I say. For me, with my argues, your solution is not good. Argue the contrarie. Don't waste time in off-topics. Don't attac me with false acusations.

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Be honest with us and yourself, you simply are offended that someone would dare to voice their opposition to your idea.

If you were opositing my idea... But you alwais are opositing to any idea. Your's is sistematic. And if you arguedd, but to the the argueeds you answers with off-topic, finally, you answers nothing real with the proposition.

Allwais that is talked about more language, more subtitles, more audios... more outside world USA-s, is alwais objecting. He think the rest world is minor than USA or not important?

He seems is offended with the people who would like things relationened with no USA world.

We are boring of you, we are to construct better program for all, not to do a program better for you.

You are negative-man, the superhero of the programers don't like improve the programs.

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Must your every post be insulting in some way

New rule for the forum: all contradiction to skipnet50 or any critics to he says, are insult in some way.

If you don't see the way, no problem, he will se the way and the insult for you.

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I have made at least two suggestions of my own on how this can be dealt with,

Used tag and used definable field. The two alwais suggestions you made for no upgrade the program and not solve really the problem. With do something not affect to you directly, you solve all.

But we are not talking about skipnetprofiler.

Do that sugestion or don't do nothing, is equal.

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All I have said is that adding new data to the list for a country that has few films and few users simply does not stand up to a cost benefit analysis. In the form of the adding to the list, it benefits few and but costs others far more than the benefit.

They are few, is relative. And think they will be growing. And what if will be one title? Is problem for the others it will be only datated? Must do more work for others? No.

You are the one than see more cost than benefits, only because if youy see the contract, you say is good one thing that not be some better for you. Others see different.

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Forget babout me, let's use my friend Srethims, who also approves of Synner's idea, he is a truly ill user, with something to the north of 10,000 titlesm which would add in the vicinity of 1000 hours of his time to cope with an expanded Country list

Ridiculus.

Many of then now has yet a country put, and is not need expanded country system to made again country input. For titles not have, with type-ahead, be more languages, not do need more time. Exactly the same that now.

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Since you have been so pleasant I feel obliged to return the favor, so be very careful, I wouldn't want your head to explode.

I prefer not opined about how seems them.

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My own collection has many films (at least 50) from countries not currently listed in DVD Profiler.

3 times minor tham me... I have 150 with no country, but I am datting all posible. You must be happy.

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Since we do have the type-ahead function, I don't see that the length of the list has much to do with finding a specific country.  50 countries or 500 countries (or 5,000 countries) -- I don't see how very much time would be lost.  If we had to scroll through the list manually (without being able to type ahead) then it would be a different story.

Simple excuse to try avoid request will be made.  

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That's what I've been trying to explain to him...

How you pretend will you be undertands by person that not like ear?

3 persons yet explanied type-ahead function... and he don't know thing what are.    

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Also, the accountant in me has to point out that 5 seconds per 7,000 profiles is 35,000 seconds or 583 minutes or 9.72 hours. And that 9.72 hours would only be true if all COO's had to be changed. If the number of missing countries is small, the amount of time needed to address changes required by the implementation of this feature request would be much less.

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Yet to now, the poll: http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=334766
Diferent yes: 18.
No: 2.

Who are they in few?