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A private question: do you own Gone with the Wind? |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | well ..some people love a well good cooked dinner and others can live out of packaged dinners .... | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,635 |
| Posted: | | | | One of my greatest joys in life is discovering the beauty and art which were created before I was born. There are thousands of years of written and recorded history which inform today's artists and craftmakers. Philosophy, art, scupture, music, fiction, non-fiction... leading to still cameras, motion picture cameras, film editing, synchronized sound, color film, video, special effects... it is a wonderful continuum, filled with magnificent works which gives weight and perspective to what has been made within my lifetime. I was 20 years old in 1970... do I dismiss Forbidden Planet because Star Wars had new effects? How do I view Star Wars if I had never watched Kurosawa's Hidden Fortress? How would I view The Sorcerer if I had never seen Wages of Fear? How can one evaluate the remake of Cape Fear if you have never watched the first film with that name?
But to some people... without color, a TV show is unwatchable. Too bad, so sad for them. | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
Cliff |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,494 |
| Posted: | | | | here here... | | | In the 60's, People took Acid to make the world Weird. Now the World is weird and People take Prozac to make it Normal.
Terry |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,747 |
| | Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,747 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote: well ..some people love a well good cooked dinner and others can live out of packaged dinners .... Just because something's old doesn't automatically make it good. I also know of people who think the last good music was made in 1789. Doesn't make it true. Just makes them have different tastes. For example: In a spur of the moment I just bought me the complete Bond collection and started with Dr. No. You know, Sean Connery - "the" James Bond. I believe that people who grew up with this movie and this particular Bond will still like it. I who looks at it with an unbiased eye just see bad fighing choreography, (naturally) outdated special effects and a plot that was rightfully mocked by the Austin Powers movies. If I watch a movie I want to be entertained. I don't watch a movie just because "it's a classic" and even if I did, I wouldn't go into it with the notion "this is a movie classic, it must be good". One last remark: I do have b/w movies, namely Akira Kurosawa. Why? Because I love Samurai, I can relate to the story. That's why I watched them, that's why I enjoyed them. Anyway, my movie collection is growing rather slowly compared to my TV show collection. I enjoy the long-term investment in the characters and their stories more than the 100 minutes you get out of a movie. | | | Karsten DVD Collectors Online
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| | Blair | Resistance is Futile! |
Registered: October 30, 2008 | Posts: 1,249 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting widescreenforever: Quote: well ..some people love a well good cooked dinner and others can live out of packaged dinners .... (and to continue the metaphor) ... and feel the "good cooking" is no better (or worse) by comparison for their own tastes and don't understand what is so special to others about it. [/metaphor] | | | If at first you don't succeed, skydiving isn't for you.
He who MUST get the last word in on a pointless, endless argument doesn't win. It makes him the bigger jerk. | | | Last edited: by Blair |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Wait... what? You own no films made before 1970, yet you watch black and white films by Kurosawa. Impossible. Red Beard, released in 1965, was Kurosawa's last film made in black and white.
Forget it.
You want to be entertained by a film without knowing any historical context of the film, its genre, its director or actors.
In my mind, this means you watch all films as a five-year-old would, placing nothing in context with anything which came before your lifetime. You view film as a child would, uninformed and without maturity.
You are much like the snobs who claim not to own a television and yet feel capable of criticizing TV shows. You claim no interest in classic film, and then, on watching one James Bond film, dismiss Sean Connery's entire work based on the first one made. Do you determine the value of a TV series based only on its pilot, too?
Not everything old is good. Sturgeon's revelation applies. But the old films which are deemed classic are among the 10% which are not crud. | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
Cliff |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 485 |
| Posted: | | | | Apart from the OP question (yes, I have it on BR but have yet to watch it, I keep postponing very long movies, be that Gone..., Zhivago or others), on the black & white issue I once had a revelation of sorts. Understand, I was used to seeing B&W 'movies' on TV as a kid: Keystone cops, Laurel & Hardy etc. Basically slapstick only and poor image quality. Not saying it's bad, just that I didn't expect too much of B&W besides having a (very) good laugh. Some years ago I bought a Marx Brothers box (with Duck soup, Animal crackers, ...), His Girl Friday, and some others on the cheap and was pleasantly surprised to find another world I should have visited a lot earlier. Found movies like this at least as entertaining as modern movies with jokes that were then and are still now very un-PC. (meaning: excellent jokes ). So nowadays I do not have a 'cut off date' for movies. Good and bad movies occur as long as movies are being made. 'special effects' too: nobody assumes that going to the moon in Méliès' movie was a documentary. And especially special effects are a sign of the times: the sequences of the space orbiters in the older James Bond movies are as laughable nowadays as the physically ridiculous tilting of giant slabs of earth without breaking apart in '2012'. Just as long as it doesn't take you too much out of the 'suspended belief' that is required for any movie to watch, I can live with it. | | | Eric
If it is important, say it. Otherwise, let silence speak. |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,747 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting VibroCount: Quote: Wait... what? You own no films made before 1970 Quoting DJ Doena: Quote: I basically own no movies made before 1970 and very few made before 1980. What I meant was that the ratio of pre-1970 movies drops dramatically in comparison to later decades. Quote: You are much like the snobs who claim not to own a television and yet feel capable of criticizing TV shows I am the snob? I came into this thread simply answering the question if I own Gone and stated that my film collection basically only starts in the late 70s. Not once did I even remark on the quality of earlier films. Since then I had to read thinly vailed condescension towards me (e.g. people feeling "sad" for for me, implying I don't know a good meal from a fast food burger) because of my personal watching habits. And no, for my enjoyment of the Lord of the Rings I actually don't need to know or put in context that director Peter Jackson also made Braindead. Quote: on watching one James Bond film, dismiss Sean Connery's entire work based on the first one made No, I watched Dr. No and made a specific remark about Dr. No. I will continue with From Russia With Love albeit less enthused as I went into Dr. No. | | | Karsten DVD Collectors Online
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| Registered: December 27, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,131 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote: Quoting VibroCount:
Quote: Wait... what? You own no films made before 1970
Quoting DJ Doena:
Quote: I basically own no movies made before 1970 and very few made before 1980.
What I meant was that the ratio of pre-1970 movies drops dramatically in comparison to later decades.
Quote: You are much like the snobs who claim not to own a television and yet feel capable of criticizing TV shows .
I am the snob?
I came into this thread simply answering the question if I own Gone and stated that my film collection basically only starts in the late 70s. Not once did I even remark on the quality of earlier films.
Since then I had to read thinly vailed condescension towards me (e.g. people feeling "sad" for for me, implying I don't know a good meal from a fast food burger) because of my personal watching habits.
And no, for my enjoyment of the Lord of the Rings I actually don't need to know or put in context that director Peter Jackson also made Braindead.
Quote: on watching one James Bond film, dismiss Sean Connery's entire work based on the first one made
No, I watched Dr. No and made a specific remakr Dr. No. I will continue with From Russia With Love albeit less enthused as I went into Dr. No I wouldn't take much out of the comments. Classics for the most part are a reason for older guys to watch chick flicks from an earlier period of film. I'd take a good burger and fries over Prime Rib. Which I feel is a over rated as some classics. | | | Last edited: by ateo357 |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 1,982 |
| Posted: | | | | I don't have it and I don't plan to have it... Not my cup of tea at all... |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Hey cliff. Have you ever bought a Susquehana hat or been to Niagara Falls. <BEG> | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,203 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting VibroCount: Quote: Wait... what? You own no films made before 1970, yet you watch black and white films by Kurosawa. Impossible. Red Beard, released in 1965, was Kurosawa's last film made in black and white.
Forget it.
You want to be entertained by a film without knowing any historical context of the film, its genre, its director or actors.
In my mind, this means you watch all films as a five-year-old would, placing nothing in context with anything which came before your lifetime. You view film as a child would, uninformed and without maturity.
You are much like the snobs who claim not to own a television and yet feel capable of criticizing TV shows. You claim no interest in classic film, and then, on watching one James Bond film, dismiss Sean Connery's entire work based on the first one made. Do you determine the value of a TV series based only on its pilot, too?
Not everything old is good. Sturgeon's revelation applies. But the old films which are deemed classic are among the 10% which are not crud. Cripes man, did he kill your dog? I am sorry, but there was no reason for any of this. As for acting like a snob...one who affects an offensive air of self-satisfied superiority in matters of taste or intellect...DJ isn't the one that fits that word. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 16, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 943 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote: I don't.
I basically own no movies made before 1970 and very few made before 1980.
If have have a movie of that era then I have a very good reason for it. I've never even seen one of these so-called classics: Gone, Casablanca, Kane, Zhivago, ... WOW! I'm speechless. I'm glad there's such a big variety of movies. There's always something for everyone.... Almost forgot...yeah, I own GWTW. Just about every version released on video. | | | Just in from somewhere left of the middle of nowhere The Holy See Hell | | | Last edited: by Floorwalker |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 489 |
| Posted: | | | | I had not seen it till 2006, and I almost fell asleep watching it in movie form. (I'm 51 so I went 45 years without being tortured.) I had to read the it in freshman English in High school, and hated the book. I will never pay money to own the DVD or Blu-ray! If my wife buys it for herself I will not even list in DVD Profiler. (Sorry thinking about everyone who told me I had to see it over the years really bugged me after sitting through the movie!) Gone With The Wind blows IMNSHO. (and yes I caught the pun as I typed. Bobb Bobb | | | Do Cheshire Cats drink evaporated milk? |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 489 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting eommen: Quote: Apart from the OP question (yes, I have it on BR but have yet to watch it, I keep postponing very long movies, be that Gone..., Zhivago or others), on the black & white issue I once had a revelation of sorts.
Understand, I was used to seeing B&W 'movies' on TV as a kid: Keystone cops, Laurel & Hardy etc. Basically slapstick only and poor image quality. Not saying it's bad, just that I didn't expect too much of B&W besides having a (very) good laugh. My wife tells a story how she grew up with a B&W TV till the early 70's. When she finally saw "The Wizard Of OZ" at a revival showing she finally understood the change when Dorothy opened the door after she landed. She also finally understood the horse of a different color joke. Bobb | | | Do Cheshire Cats drink evaporated milk? |
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