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DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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That is not the only purpose for that field and you show no understanding of what i said when i explained the whys and wherefore's. It is not SIMPLE text.

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If that's addressed to me, Skip, my understanding versus your understanding is not even a factor in my opinion, which I expressed in relation to goodguy's comment, not anything you have said. Please do not assume that i am required to address your concerns, let alone acquiesce to your view.

MY view matches that of goodguy; displaying text formatting in the overview field is unnecessary because of the presence of the cover scans. You can argue all you want but that's what I think. Doesn't mean I don't add 'formatting' marks as the rules require, and doesn't mean that I wouldn't adjust to and accomodate a more complicated system, yet I am still left with that basic human right of opinion, and that is not yours to take away, dispel, and certainly not override.
DVD Profiler Unlimited RegistrantStar ContributorWinston Smith
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Displaying text formatting would create a mess, nadja. On a local level that would be fine, but for the online there is a purpose for the system. I am not saying you should agree, i am saying that you should be informed.

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Do stop equating disagreement with ignorance, Skip. This is not terribly agreeable in and of itself.
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Here's a perfect example.

Get ready to ride shotgun in a fiery red Ferrari with TV's most charming detective, Magnum P.I., as all 20 thrilling Season Six episodes arrive on DVD for the first time ever! Tom Selleck returns in his Emmy®-winning role as the Hawaiian private investigator with a knack for solving crime and attracting the ladies. Join Higgins, T.C., and Rick as they help Magnum in such captivating adventures as tracking down international assassins, catching an elusive cat burglar, and wrangling up vicious cattle rustlers. With a special sneak peek at an episode from Season Seven, this Magnum P.I. 5-disc set is your key to tropical danger, desire, and so much more!

In one of those instances Magnum P.I. is the name of show and in the other it is simply the name of the character. The title is not simply a string of character without context, it is taken in its entirety. Plain text format destroys that context.

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P.S. It is equally disagreeable for you to post a response that does not demonstrate that you are informed, it makes you appear to me to have blinders on, whcih makes for bad communication.
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See, I have faith in people that they are capable of discerning context, I am under no impression that most people will be confused by something I understand. Again, such a distinction can be made by looking at the scans. There's only so many times we need the same data in the same profile. Putting quotation marks around formatted text simply reduces the chances of a successful text search of the overview. Probably not drastically, but still possibly. Were the system able to ignore them, it would be different, but since they double as valid punctuation marks, it is futile.

You commented that "displaying text formatting would create a mess". Well yes of course it would. It currently does, this is my point. Who has actually called for a html tag-style system that would have the sole option of displaying the tags? Please provide a quotation.

Anyway, long story short. Stop assuming people are ignorant because they prioritise and qualify differently to you. When you make comments such as "appear to me to have blinders on", all this says is "I must be right and since you disagree the only interpretation is that you don't understand," which is of course not true.
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Quoting Martin_Zuidervliet:
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The point is: What looks better? "Ticks" or (HTML) "text effects". I know what I would choose.

I would choose neither.


If we get text effects for overviews, will we want them for titles, cast and crew, role names, etc? I hope not.
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Quoting skipnet50:
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Displaying text formatting would create a mess, nadja.

Nadja didn't ask for text formatting, and neither did I. It seems to me, we are all in perfect agreement here.

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In one of those instances Magnum P.I. is the name of show and in the other it is simply the name of the character. The title is not simply a string of character without context, it is taken in its entirety. Plain text format destroys that context.


For what it's worth, I partially agree. I don't find it particularly necessary in the given example, but there are certainly multi-word movie titles, where the lack of quote marks would make it a bit difficult to establish the context on first sight.

If the "use single quotes for bold/italic" rule were limited to cases where the bold/italic formatting is used as a replacement for real quotation marks, I would be very happy.

Unfortunalely, the strict appliance of this rule requires any bold/italic text to be single-quoted. So if the overview reads something like "... Magnum (Tom Selleck) ...", I would have to transcribe it as "... Magnum ('Tom Selleck') ...".

By strictly applying this rule without regard for context and purpose, people create data they aren't satisfied with. As they get more and more tired of those silly "ticks", they again don't ask what purpose a certain formatting serves, they want to blindly copy it. First, it is only bold/italic, then someone comes up with font sizes, then superscript/subscript. But what about the font type, the line spacing, the big initial drop cap, indents...

Bottom line, you cannot blindly copy the overview. Unless you scan the back cover, you have to "translate" it into a target format. That doesn't get easier if you increase the complexity of the target format, it will only get worse.
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Mathias:

There are things like this that we do because of the limitations of the program. Ask the guys on the team what my reaction was when I first became aware of COLORED text in Overviews. The purpose is not to create an exact copy of the Overview or any other part of a film, we are trying to be true to the concept of what the filmmakers and/or DVD Distributor gave us for data. Ken adbised us quite sometime ago that he would give us italics, bold and underline abilities. I don't know how I feel about Font sizes, but colors make me crazy. I can see the arguments over the hue of the color....yikes what a nightmare.     Since I am the only one who uses, that I am aware of, a software package specifically geared to objectively read colors, this bringing a level of objectivity to an otherwise totally subjective process...colr text I don't want to play with.    

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If the purpose of the ticks is that eventually they will get converted to some kind of text formatting for bold/italics, then we should keep them, continue to use them and wait patiently for Ken to implement the feature and convert the existing ones. Otherwise, having them serves no real purpose.

I would hope that eventually Ken would give us a (very) limited set of text formating commands to use, perhaps in the style of BBCode, that the search function would be able to parse out and ignore when performing text searches on Overviews. No font styles or colors or anything fancy, just the basics like bold, italics, underline. The existing ticks could be converted both online and client-side during a software upgrade down the road.
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I don't think any automatic conversion should take place because half of them will be wrong.
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I don't think half of them would be wrong. I'd say significantly less than half. And finding those errors would be much less work than manually converting or removing existing ticks because a visual change such as bold or italics that don't match an overview is more noticeable than single quotes when making a visual scan of an overview for edits.

As it stands now, you couldn't automatically wipe them out either for the exact same reason, and just about every profile from the last 11 years of DVD releases (yes, it really is an almost 11 year old format) already conforms to the current rule.
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Well, at least half of them would be wrong since we currently use the same tick to denote anything funky with the text.  That's one of the reasons why I've questioned the wisdom of this thing.  The future is all well and good but how is anyone supposed to tell the difference between a bold tick and an italics tick when it comes to an automatic conversion?  Obviously you can't and there's going to be quite a mess to clean up.
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Midnit:

It will a lot less than the Coo debacle. On its own it would be a mess but if it is part of several additions, say Studios/Distribution, additional dividers or any of the number of other things that are in the pipeline it won't be bad at all. 300+ hours expense to do just COO still makes me CRAZY.            

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