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Preparation of the legislative proposal of the new Act on Audiovisual Programs clearly states that these symbols are not reasons for the given rating, but further information of the content.

= Rating Details.

= Content Information

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The verbal translation of these symbols is always the same: "Sisältää väkivaltaa", "Sisältää seksiä", "Voi aiheuttaa ahdistusta" or "Sisältää päihteidenkäyttöä".

Yes, but again they are still symbols for Rating Details, not for Ratings.

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Why would we need a free text field for fixed content?

Because we still need free text field for at least "Uudet ikärajat, tarkastetut" ratings.

Yes we need, and probably for these new ratings too, if the reasons for the given rating are written in the decision. There is no need to write the fixed content information in the free text field, if that could go to the rating field.

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Wouldn't it be easier to select this content from a drop-down menu rather than always type it again?

Yes, but this should be modification for Rating Details field, NOT for Ratings field.

As I said, the content information should go to the rating field, not to rating details, which is the place for the reasons of given rating.

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The new database is still in beta

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The database for the Finnish ratings kept by MEKU.

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I'm not mixing, IMO. 

Yes, you want to merge Rating Details data with Ratings data.

I get where you are coming from, but I think you are making things unnecessarily complicate and want to change whole database structure. Better and IMHO correct way to achieve the same results would be:

- Ken adds new ratings to localities.xod. No Program changes needed.
- After this has been implemented we could ask a program change (Open a new thread) so that if "Uudet ikärajat, tarkastetut" or "Vanhat ikärajat" has been selected we have free text field for Rating Details. On the other hand if the selection is >2012 ratings we get a dropdown menu.
- Before that we must make sure that we know all possible combinations for symbols. I'm sending post to MEKU at the moment. It doesn't make any sense that only two symbols out of four can be used simultaniously. If I had to rate for example Serbian Film it would be very hard to decide which two symbols I should leave out. It has more than enough on every sector 

I have already given you all the possible combinations for symbols and the pics of these. The total number is 60. MEKU has already decided that a rating logo can have max 2 content symbols in the order of the most dominant detrimental content.

I don’t want to start arguing here, I have just given my opinion to this, that’s all. Time to start watching movies for a change.

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Do you know it these symbols are used in other EU countries too? Or is it Finland only? I think that I've seen these in UK purchased games, but I can't remember if they were exactly the same. Do you have any better knowledge?

You are probably thinking of the Pan European Game Information rating system, see e.g. Wikipedia

Rating symbols have been adopted from PEGI (although Bad Language, Discrimination and Gambling don't seem to warrant being mentioned in the context of movie rating).

While I can understand the temptation to have these "Content Information/Rating Detail" symbols encoded into the Rating list itself (as there's a fixed set of combinations), IMHO it would look very unnatural.  I feel these classifications belong somewhere between the current DVD Profiler Rating and Rating Details concepts, but if I'd have to choose one, I'd be much happier seeing them as part of Rating Details.

A while ago I opened support ticket also to speed up things 

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Hello.

Kulju has also opened support ticked for this.

So this is just a reminder.

Please change/add new ratings asap => movies are being released with new ratings.
http://www.invelos.com/Forums.aspx?task=viewtopic&topicID=37355&PageNum=4&messageID=1672854#M1672854

And now I got response:

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Posted: February 2, 2012 1:48 AM
This change has now been implemented, and will be released with tonight's database update.

I'm little nervous, but let's see how change will go. 

Just few minutes ago refreshed database update => this is now implemented.

At first look everything seems to be just fine. Now, let's dig little deeper ... fingers crossed.

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So far so good. I'm going to start testing filters...

And here we go....

At least --> Uudet ikärajat:3, Doesn't list S/T, S/T 6, S/T 8, S/T 10, S/T 12, 3, 7, 11, [3], [7], [11]
At least --> Uudet ikärajat:11, Lists also NR, S/T, 3, [3], 7, [7], S/T 8, S/T 10
At least --> Uudet ikärajat:13, Doesn't list 13, [13], 15, K/F 16
At least --> Uudet ikärajat:15, Doesn't list anything
At least --> Uudet ikärajat:18, Lists all ratings
At least --> Uudet ikärajat:[18], Doesn't list anything
At least --> Vanhat ikärajat:NR, Doesn't list anything
At least --> Vanhat ikärajat:S/T, Doesn't list S/T, S/T 6, S/T 8, S/T 10, S/T 12, S/T 14, K/F 16, 3, 7, 11, 13, 15, [3], [7], [11], [13],
At least --> Vanhat ikärajat:S/T 6, Lists also NR, S/T, 3, [3]
At least --> Vanhat ikärajat:S/T 8, Lists also 7, [7]
At least --> Vanhat ikärajat:S/T 10, Doesn't list S/T 10, S/T 12, S/T 14, 11, 13, 15
At least --> Vanhat ikärajat:S/T 12, Lists also NR, S/T, 3, [3], 7, [7], S/T 8, S/T 10, 11, [11]
At least --> Vanhat ikärajat:S/T 14, Doesn't list anything
At least --> Vanhat ikärajat:K/F 16, Doesn't list anything

Don't even wan't to continue testing further, since at this stage it's easy to say that Rating Filters doesn't follow any logic or doesn't work at all. Rating Filters also have old rating options. I don't have any titles with  > 2012 Ratings so I have no idea how filters work with them. I believe that we have a loooooong way to go until these are fixed.

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Correct. Take a look here - move your cursor over the symbols in the red box.

It's similar but not the same. I was hoping that this change would have been based on some new European standard.

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BTW it has been standing practice with Dutch profiles for many years to enter the meaning of the symbols such as Angst (Fear), Geweld (Violence) etc. into the Rating Details field of DVD Profiler.

That makes sence.