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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting VibroCount: Quote: Quoting Rifter:
Quote: ... Copyright is only for 17 years if I remember correctly. ...
No.
Copyright varies from country to country.
In the USA, prior to 1978, copyright was for 28 years, renewable once for a total of 56 years. Now copyright is for 70 years after the death of the author. If the work was a work for hire (e.g., those created by a corporation) then copyright persists for 120 years after creation or 95 years after publication, whichever is shortest.
All works published in the United States before 1923 are in the public domain; works created before 1978 but not published until recently may be protected until 2047.
Do not think that the copyright on Mickey Mouse doesn't have much to do with the changes in US copyright law. OK, I stand corrected on the years thing. Isn't Mickey also a registered Trade Mark of Disney, though? As such, Disney owns that in perpetuity (unless they sell the rights of course, but that's highly unlikely). In fact, they have a number of trademarks, such as Tinker Bell, the Magic Castle logo, etc. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 Make America Great Again! |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,203 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote: I'm not discussing what the current rules say.
The important question for me is - what is it that we want to know about a film if we associate a date with that film?
1) When it was filmed 2) When it was copyrighted 3) When it was first shown publicly
I would venture a guess and say that most people would answer "When it was filmed". My answer would be "When it was first shown publicly." | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Define publicly. Cannes Film Festival? And still the answer is not answered, though, Unicus. With conflicting data results, on many films, what is the answer. Determining when a film was shot is even more problematic. While a copyright date is not a PERFECT answer, as I have said, there is no such thing. The Copyright date is the ONLY piece of such data that can be reliably obtained and entered by ALL users ALL the time. Unless they can't read Roman Numerals. Not by SOME users All of the Time or ALL users Some of the Time, or even Some users Some of the Time. ALL users ALL of the time. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,694 |
| Posted: | | | | If you prefer when it was publicly shown, should the field be renamed "Public release"? Or would you feel comfortable saying that a film that was shot in 1974 has a "Production Year" that is 1995, because that's when it was first shown? | | | My freeware tools for DVD Profiler users. Gunnar |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 20,111 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote: If you prefer when it was publicly shown, should the field be renamed "Public release"? Or would you feel comfortable saying that a film that was shot in 1974 has a "Production Year" that is 1995, because that's when it was first shown? I can actually think of at least one movie in my collection that fits that description! | | | Corey |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote: Isn't Mickey also a registered Trade Mark of Disney, though? As such, Disney owns that in perpetuity (unless they sell the rights of course, but that's highly unlikely). In fact, they have a number of trademarks, such as Tinker Bell, the Magic Castle logo, etc. Yes. Disney has added trademarks to its characters as well, but that doesn't cover all the same areas as copyright. I expect the US copyright laws will change once Mickey gets close to becoming public domain. | | | If it wasn't for bad taste, I wouldn't have no taste at all.
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Katatonia: Quote: Quoting GSyren:
Quote: If you prefer when it was publicly shown, should the field be renamed "Public release"? Or would you feel comfortable saying that a film that was shot in 1974 has a "Production Year" that is 1995, because that's when it was first shown?
I can actually think of at least one movie in my collection that fits that description! There are many others, which is why I prefer copyright year. Putting 1995 on a film made in 1974 makes absolutely no sense to me. | | | Hal |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,203 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: Define publicly.
Cannes Film Festival? I guess I should have been more specific. I had thought my previous statements would have made this an obviouys answer...year of the original theatrical release. Quote: And still the answer is not answered, though, Unicus. With conflicting data results, on many films, what is the answer. The answer would probably be the same as it is for SRP. First one in wins. I have seen theatrical release dates vary by days or even months but, I have yet to see it vary by years. I think this is much ado about nothing. Quote:
Determining when a film was shot is even more problematic.
While a copyright date is not a PERFECT answer, as I have said, there is no such thing. The Copyright date is the ONLY piece of such data that can be reliably obtained and entered by ALL users ALL the time. Unless they can't read Roman Numerals. Not by SOME users All of the Time or ALL users Some of the Time, or even Some users Some of the Time. ALL users ALL of the time.
Skip True enough but, why scrap the field in favor of a different one? The best alternative I have heard so far is Hal's which simply asks for a new field for the copyright date. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,203 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting GSyren: Quote: If you prefer when it was publicly shown, should the field be renamed "Public release"? Or would you feel comfortable saying that a film that was shot in 1974 has a "Production Year" that is 1995, because that's when it was first shown? I am all for changing the field name. Have been since the rules were released. I would prefer something like 'Release/Broadcast Date' | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 1,982 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Katatonia: Quote: I can actually think of at least one movie in my collection that fits that description! This the movie in this case : Rabid Dog by Mario BavaThe link is from IMDB but the case is well documented |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 467 |
| Posted: | | | | Sounds good too me |
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