Quoting surfeur51:

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... the program is made to manage DVDs collection, and has other features than only contribution.

DVD Profiler does what it says. Cast and crew are in order of the credits. So I don't understand where the sorting of cast and crew comes in?

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I really do not see why the word rule is used here.

And now is the cat out of the bag and your intentions becomes clear: you are after the rules! At first we had guidelines, the guidelines became rules to protect us from users like you.

Quoting kdh1949:

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I know I sound like the arrogant American here.

   

Quoting Unicus69:

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If someone can't be bothered to come here and figure out the proper way to enter data, removing one of the fields isn't going to solve their problem.

We have quite a few users who speak languages other than english.  The help is here for anybody that wants it.  Ken shouldn't have to change the program simply because they won't take that help.

OK, you are right, everything is perfect in dvdprofiler land...
I'm really a troll to give an opinion...

Quoting Giga Wizard:

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Quoting TheFly:

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It eliminates "middle" name which doesn't really exist as a concept outside of the US, and is unnecessary since a middle name is still a given name.

We have this phenomen here in Belgium and if i'm not mistaken the same in the Netherlands

That's right and so if you enter Dutch names the middle name field can just be ignored. As a matter of fact you can do this with every name of a country who does not use the middle name concept and therefore field elimination is not really necessary. A checkbox for last names (especially for asian ones) on the other hand could be useful.

Quoting Unicus69:

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I assume you mean, "where is it stated by Invelos?"  It isn't, and I never claimed it was, but Ken is a US programmer and those are normal US terms.  It took me all of 2 seconds to type 'define: middle name' in to google to find the definition.

I'm really struggling to understand how you can make a statement like the above and yet not then understand what the problem is. You have to remember that a large proportion of Profiler's userbase is not American. How can they be expected to know what a term means in the context of DVD Profiler if it is not either (a) a universally understood term like "Family Name", or (b) written in the rules?

Another important point is that there are users here who would argue that your defintions of First/Middle/Last are wrong, and that they do not refer to given/given/family but strictly to the order things are displayed on screen. I don't agree with this but you can't claim that your definition of those fields is something that is universally accepted here.

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If all you get is a tickbox, and you enter the name as I outlined above, ticking the box would give you a name displayed as  'Last Name/ First Name/ Middle Name.'

But what if someone's put half of a family name into the middle name box, since it appeared "in the middle"? Then you could end up with Family/Given/Family. If you name the fields Given/Family from the start, it's clear what has to go in what box and you eliminate the data entry issue.

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You have it backwards.  When you want to make a change, you don't ask what benefit is gained from keeping it the way it is.  You outline the benefits gained by making the change.  You haven't done that.

You should examine both - what are the benefits of changing, and what are the problems caused by keeping things as they are. I believe that's what I've done.

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I understand that this is how you want it, and that is fine, but I will always argue against change for the sake of change...which is what I believe this to be.  But that's just me. 

I suspect we may just have to agree to disagree since we seem to be going round in circles (though isn't it good that we can discuss this without resorting to insulting each other, unlike certain others?). Yes, clearly this change is how I want it to be or I wouldn't be arguing for it, but the reason I want it like this is to provide consistency for ALL Profiler users, not just the English speakers or those in the US, or those who only ever deal with American DVD releases.

Quoting kdh1949:

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I know I sound like the arrogant American here, but I'm sorry.  I am more than happy with usint 3 names and I resent like hell someone telling me I should change things because that's not the way it's done somewhere else.  My only comment to them is "TOO BAD.  Learn to live with it and GET A LIFE."

I'm fascinated how people can make comments like this, and simultaneously other people can claim that those arguing for a change in the way names are handled are doing it for their own cultural reasons. A little hypocrisy there amongst the American users, no?

First/Middle/Last is an American cultural way of describing names. The concept of "middle name" doesn't even have a direct translation in some languages, so how are foreign users meant to understand how to use it when it's not in the rules? There's not even agreement about how it should be used amongst the American users (is it given/given/family or strict screen position?).

Quoting skipnet50:

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But what you want to do is throw out hundreds of thousands of man-hours of work already achieved by thousands of users to meet the needs a tiny FEW users.

If Ken decided to merge first name and middle name (and this is only HIS decision), I do not see which work would be thrown out. And if he adds a checkbox, it is a new feature that would be used by those who want it, so should not be a problem for the others.

I remember you that at first you found the idea interesting... Than you changed your mind, just for the pleasure to fight a suggestion that doesn't come from you.

I do not think I'm, or The Fly or Northbloke, destructive. But I'm sure you are not constructive...

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Quoting surfeur51:

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I really do not see why the word rule is used here.

And now is the cat out of the bag and your intentions becomes clear: you are after the rules! At first we had guidelines, the guidelines became rules to protect us from users like you.

You've taken Surfeur's statement out of context. As Paul says, within the context of the whole conversation, Surfeur's statement was perfectly reasonable.