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Disc Number and Disc Side Labels in Cast & Crew Dividers?
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DVD Profiler Desktop and Mobile RegistrantStar ContributorGadgeteer
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As I said I, you clownns simply don't get it, you never will, I don't know if it's by choice or genetics but..whatever the reason you don't and I am through with the lot of you.

Skip


No-one agrees with you so you're resorting to insults.

Thanks.
Stuart
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Widescreen Collection is not hard coded into the software, lopek. It is redundant data, a marketing gimmick employed by Paramount, and we have that data elsewhere in the program. So why do we employ it. Why do we include Widescreen when there is ONLY a Widescreen release. there is nothing to differentiate. Good God, man. You argumentsare so bogus.

Skip

Fair point, my mistake - I can admit mine! 

Does not change the fact (that you ignored) that there is no exception in the rules to not include these. And that it is a distraction to the point at hand... same as the name calling. 
Andy

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Quoting skipnet50:
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As I said I, you clownns simply don't get it, you never will, I don't know if it's by choice or genetics but..whatever the reason you don't and I am through with the lot of you.

Skip


No-one agrees with you so you're resorting to insults.

Thanks.

Sorry, Stuart. It's frustrating, it is a VERY simple conceptand adds functionality and usability to the system and people are seem to not be getting it, in Lopek's case he is probably being obstinate, but I really don't comprehend why anyone would want decreased functionality and usability of data.

It makes no sense to me.

Skip
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Lopek:

Even Ken admits that rule is vague so get over that argument.

This poll is not about the Rule its is about how we should be doing and you are supporting reducinmg the functionality and usability of the data in the Program. This is soooo obvious.

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Sorry, Stuart. It's frustrating, it is a VERY simple conceptand adds functionality and usability to the system and people are seem to not be getting it, in Lopek's case he is probably being obstinate, but I really don't comprehend why anyone would want decreased functionality and usability of data.

It makes no sense to me.

Skip

It does not incease functionality and usability, it adds duplication and redundancy. 

Edit: Where did Ken state that the rule is vague? And so what, you unilateral decision is still not supported by it, and the community does not want it - look at the poll! 
Andy

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Widescreen Collection is not hard coded into the software, lopek. It is redundant data, a marketing gimmick employed by Paramount, and we have that data elsewhere in the program. So why do we employ it. Why do we include Widescreen when there is ONLY a Widescreen release. there is nothing to differentiate. Good God, man. You argumentsare so bogus.

Skip

Red Herring. Start a separate thread to discuss the Edition field rules if you wish.

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As I said I, you clownns simply don't get it, you never will, I don't know if it's by choice or genetics but..whatever the reason you don't and I am through with the lot of you.

Skip

Your suggestion to include disc info in the cast and crew list is "more info" but my question about including audio tracks in the cast and crew list is a "distraction". "More info" is still not a justification when the "more info" is duplicative.

Quoting skipnet50:
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Sorry, Stuart. It's frustrating, it is a VERY simple conceptand adds functionality and usability to the system and people are seem to not be getting it, in Lopek's case he is probably being obstinate, but I really don't comprehend why anyone would want decreased functionality and usability of data.

It makes no sense to me.

Skip

If it's so simple, please explain the functionality and usability that is gained that is not already present due to the information recorded in the disc list? If I want to know which episode is on which disc, I can already look at the disc info.

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Lopek:

Even Ken admits that rule is vague so get over that argument.

Ken, are you ready to add disc divider labels to all episodic profiles?

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This poll is not about the Rule its is about how we should be doing and you are supporting reducinmg the functionality and usability of the data in the Program. This is soooo obvious.

Skip

Wouldn't it increase the functionality and usability of the program to add audio and subtitle dividers to the cast and crew list? That's a serious question. It flows logically from your suggestion.
...James

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Andy:

Don't talk to me about redundancy, you supported the idea of using ALL of the redundant garbage into the Edition field that is not hard-coded. So stop using that argument. You are supporting reduciung functionality and usability of the data. Let's see if I recall correctly the main argument you supported on the Edition (then dist. trait) was that you could spot that information immediately and not have to dig elksewhere in the program or soimething similar. This is precisely the SAME thing.

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James:

It is not a red herring, and you saying so, diminishesd your argument and reinforces that you don't get it. Because you don't see the issue of Consistency. Talk about your basic Red herring

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Andy:

Don't talk to me about redundancy, you supported the idea of using ALL of the redundant garbage into the Edition field that is not hard-coded. So stop using that argument. You are supporting reduciung functionality and usability of the data. Let's see if I recall correctly the main argument you supported on the Edition (then dist. trait) was that you could spot that information immediately and not have to dig elksewhere in the program or soimething similar. This is precisely the SAME thing.

Skip

No it is not. Including the - at this time redundant, but who knows in the future - information in the description field is about consistency and simplicity of that field.

Your idea is nothing like that. But you just don't get that! 
Andy

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I've got an idea.  Why don't we simply get rid of all the pesky fields and have one big freeform memo field?  That should certainly make layouts much easier to design. 
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James:

It is not a red herring, and you saying so, diminishesd your argument and reinforces that you don't get it. Because you don't see the issue of Consistency. Talk about your basic Red herring

Skip

What's consistent about your unilateral decision to start contributing disc dividers in cast lists, which is so far contrary to what everyone else is contributing? If you can support a positive argument for doing it, there is still the issue that all episodic profiles either need to be redone or your work will be inconsistent with everyone else's.

As has been stated numerous times by others, the Edition field data is entered consistently. We take the info off the box and put it into the field regardless of whether it is seen as valuable to everyone.

That's not the same "consistency" that applies to suddenly adding disc dividers to cast and crew lists. We have been "consistently" not adding such dividers!! If you start contributing them, your profiles become inconsistent with how everyone else is doing it. Explain why that's a good idea.
...James

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Even Ken admits that rule is vague so get over that argument.


With all due respect to Ken, he is wrong and I don't know why he would admit that.  The rule seems pretty clear to me...

"List all Cast Members for a TV Series appropriately. Use the Divider feature to indicate episode divisions."

I don't see how that rule can be interpreted to mean anything other than, use the dividers to divide the cast by episode.  Not only is that what the rule says, but that is what the 'field name' means.  These are dividers, not labels, and that is how they should be used...but that's just me.
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Andy:

Don't talk to me about redundancy, you supported the idea of using ALL of the redundant garbage into the Edition field that is not hard-coded. So stop using that argument. You are supporting reduciung functionality and usability of the data. Let's see if I recall correctly the main argument you supported on the Edition (then dist. trait) was that you could spot that information immediately and not have to dig elksewhere in the program or soimething similar. This is precisely the SAME thing.

Skip

No it is not. Including the - at this time redundant, but who knows in the future - information in the description field is about consistency and simplicity of that field.


Using your argument, Andy. at this time redundant, but who knows in the future

Skip
Your idea is nothing like that. But you just don't get that! 
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Even Ken admits that rule is vague so get over that argument.


With all due respect to Ken, he is wrong and I don't know why he would admit that.  The rule seems pretty clear to me...

"List all Cast Members for a TV Series appropriately. Use the Divider feature to indicate episode divisions."

I don't see how that rule can be interpreted to mean anything other than, use the dividers to divide the cast by episode.  Not only is that what the rule says, but that is what the 'field name' means.  These are dividers, not labels, and that is how they should be used...but that's just me.

FYI Unicus he did noit make that comment to me, he made it to another user.

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James:

I don't wish to be insulting. But you continue to show me that you have absolutely no understanding of what i am saying. I am wasting my time trying to explain it to you. I am sorry, in point of fact I don't blame you, something is lacking in my ability to explain it, though I have no idea what it is, the issue is so clear, simple and obvious that I simply don't understand why you don't get it...but you don't and you won't.

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James:

I don't wish to be insulting. But you continue to show me that you have absolutely no understanding of what i am saying. I am wasting my time trying to explain it to you. I am sorry, in point of fact I don't blame you, something is lacking in my ability to explain it, though I have no idea what it is, the issue is so clear, simple and obvious that I simply don't understand why you don't get it...but you don't and you won't.

But like I have saiid this is also totally irrelevant to me. My data is my data from now on, You guys can do whatever you wish to wreck the database, and you are well on that path, even though I know you don't see it.

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