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I know I sound like the arrogant American here, but I'm sorry.  I am more than happy with usint 3 names and I resent like hell someone telling me I should change things because that's not the way it's done somewhere else.  My only comment to them is "TOO BAD.  Learn to live with it and GET A LIFE."

I'm fascinated how people can make comments like this, and simultaneously other people can claim that those arguing for a change in the way names are handled are doing it for their own cultural reasons. A little hypocrisy there amongst the American users, no?

The answer's simple - this isn't a cultural way of doing things because Americans don't have any culture!       

(Joke, BTW)

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Try to read all the posts by someone before taking something out of context.
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I really do not see why the word rule is used here. was in answer to skip suggesting that surfeur should search for strings using the substring filter. And quite reasonably surfeur asked what searching using the substring filter had to do with the rules?

The actual full post was..

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    Follow the Rules and use the substring filter for your searches.

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You are sometimes slightly obtuse. Rules are for contributions. The program is made to manage DVDs collection, and has other features than only contribution. I really do not see why the word rule is used here.

You may then have noticed that:
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We are in the request forum. If the request is accepted,rules will have to be changed.

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The answer's simple - this isn't a cultural way of doing things because Americans don't have any culture!        (Joke, BTW)

Did the US inherit this from the UK? (bigger joke)

I don't think there is an answer to solve all problems with cast and crew names.Whether there is 2 fields or 3 fields we will have parsing problems. Some middle /2nd-3rd (and so on) given names (whatever you want to call them) can look like last/Surnames. I know some women that has legally changed their last name to their middle name so not to lose it... I also have known parents to give their child (male or female) the mother's maiden name as their middle name. When it comes to a person name there is no rule on how it can be done. So I don't see how changing to only 2 fields will help with this matter whether the names of the field is changed or not. You will still have the same data entry problems and not know for sure where to put which names for a lot of the cast/crew.

I think... if it was my program and was up to me how I personally would do it is...

1. Single Name Field... with a single name field there is no question what name goes into what field. No need to try to figure out what is the first middle or last name.

2. Rules for use... simply type what you see in the credits... as credited. If the name is not written with the English alphabet (i.e. Chinese) You write it as it is read in Chinese... if it reads as Chow Yun-Fat... that is how you put it in profiler. If it reads as Yun-Fat Chow... then that is how you put it into profiler. If you have some movies credits that reads one way... and some that read the other way... then you use the CLT to determine which is the "common name" and use the "credited As" field as needed.

I know this solution would not make as many people happy... as you would lose the ability to have names listed Last Name, First Name... but in this case I think ease of entry would be more important. Which if I am not mistaken is something even Ken said he has to stride for at times... and I personally think this is one of the places that it would be best to consider that line of thinking.

That's my on the matter for what it is worth.

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I really do not see why the word rule is used here.

And now is the cat out of the bag and your intentions becomes clear: you are after the rules! At first we had guidelines, the guidelines became rules to protect us from users like you.

You've taken Surfeur's statement out of context. As Paul says, within the context of the whole conversation, Surfeur's statement was perfectly reasonable.

sorry, i did not take anything out of context, You may then have noticed that:
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We are in the request forum. If the request is accepted,rules will have to be changed.

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I don't think there is an answer to solve all problems with cast and crew names.Whether there is 2 fields or 3 fields we will have parsing problems. Some middle /2nd-3rd (and so on) given names (whatever you want to call them) can look like last/Surnames. I know some women that has legally changed their last middle name to their middle name so not to lose it... I also have known parents to give their child (maile or female) the mother's maiden name as their middle name. When it comes to a person name there is no rule on how it can be done. So I don't see how changing to only 2 fields will help with this matter whether the names of the field is changed or not. You will still have the same data entry problems and not know for sure where to put which names for a lot of the cast/crew.

I think... if it was my program and was up to me how I personally would do it is...

1. Single Name Field... with a single name field there is no question what name goes into what field. No need to try to figure out what is the first middle or last name.

2. Rules for use... simply type what you see in the credits... as credited. If the name is not written with the English alphabet (i.e. Chinese) You write it as it is read in Chinese... if it reads as Chow Yun-Fat... that is how you put it in profiler. If it reads as Yun-Fat Chow... then that is how you put it into profiler. If you have some movies credits that reads one way... and some that read the other way... then you use the CLT to determine which is the "common name" and use the "credited As" field as needed.

I know this solution would not make as many people happy... as you would lose the ability to have names listed Last Name, First Name... but in this case I think ease of entry would be more important. Which if I am not mistaken is something even Ken said he has to stride for at times... and I personally think this is one of the places that it would be best to consider that line of thinking.

That's my on the matter for what it is worth.

even with one field you don't solve the parsing problem as I allready have shown before. The reason why we have 3 fields for names, may be program speed, i guess. And why do you think a database is designed with more the 1 field for names? Not for the fun of it. And redesigning a database is no fun either.

After all you only after a glamour feature, showing the names in reversed order so the Azian people would not been hurt in their feelings. So their listing would show Wizard Giga instead of Giga Wizard.

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even with one field you don't solve the parsing problem as I allready have shown before.

You've said this a couple of times.

Please explain, with examples, how a name could be parsed into a single field more than one way.

You simply enter it exactly as it appears on screen. 

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If you bothered reading my post you may have noticed, this is also used in other countries!

The point is that it is not used in *all* countries, and even where it is used, first/middle/last names can ALWAYS be mapped to given names or family names.

The reverse is not true, since there is no agreement and no way to prove (since there is no accepted definition) whether a particular given name or a family name counts as "first", "middle" or "last".

To summarise: first/middle/last only has meaning in some countries (and even then the meaning is disputed). Given/family has a universal, international meaning. This is a program with an international customer base and hence it should use the option which accommodates everyone.

Sorry, but given name here = First Name

Middle Name = Middle Name

Just because it's not a "Surname"does not automatically make it a "Given Name".  That's your cultural terminology.

I know you'd like it to be different, but it's not.