Common names in brakets

Cast

David Elliott (David James Elliott)
Mary-Louise Gemmil (Mary Louise Gemmil)
Cedric / the Entertainer, Cedric / The / Entertainer (Cedric The Entertainer //)
Majel Barrett Roddenberry (Majel Barrett)
Jean / Rene / Ouellet, Jean Rene / Ouellet / (Jean-René Ouellet)
Andre Oumansky (André Oumansky)
Kirsten Cloke (Kristen Cloke)
Michael Buchman Silver (Michael B. Silver)
Parminder K. Nagra (Parminder Nagra)
Eileen Essel (Eileen Essell)
Deborah Unger (Deborah Kara Unger)
Teddy Lane Jr. (Teddy Lane, Jr.)
Kathryn Cressida (Kat Cressida)

Crew
Hans Jürgen Tögel (Hans-Jürgen Tögel)
Darrel James Roodt (Darrell James Roodt)
Drew Barrymore (Drew Barrymore 1975)

Check this BYs in cast:
John Gilbert (1960)
Matthew Harrison (1959)
Kathleen Kennedy (1953)
John Lennon (1940)
Trevor Matthews (1982)
Frank Stallone (1950)
John Sullivan (1946)

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Quoting StaNDarD:

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I guess it's just the opposite - most people will take cast/crew from the online database and never change anything...

Perhaps you are right about the fact that most people (who knows?) are not interested by correct linking of actors, but I still think that many people want this correct linking in their local database.

I'm pretty sure that many people want to have correct linking - I try to have it myself. But I also think that a project like this should be based on the majority.
You see, that's just like adding fake birthyears, you would like to use your system - I would like to use mine. We will never get a solution for this that'll make everybody happy - that's unless we get one from Invelos...

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Ivelos rules say that we shoul use the common name (from film credits...

Invelos rules are about contributions. Headshots are not contributable. There is nothing in rules about headshots. People who share non contributable data may choose the best solution. For headshots, I think that, as it was done before, we should keep variants that are useful for the different users. Those who use invelos data, and those who use real world data.

Ah, I misunderstood you here. You want to have both pics inside the HMDB... Well, personally I hated the unnecessary duplicate data when I used it - and removing them with a database repair, would wipe out any other actual unused pic too. A vicious cirlce...

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Mine is 99xx, xx being IMDb number

That's what I do, but in the rare occasion when IMDB doesn't list a certain person in a films credits I use 6001 and so on as needed.

I hate to seem ignorant here (sometimes it's unavoidable) but what do birthyears (real or fake) have to do with pics of headshots in our personal databases?  Isn't it just a pic of a person's face?  Do we need to complicate it with birth years?  Why is the issue with birth years so important to adding faces to the names in our personal databases?

I'm not trying to be difficult, I'd really like to know...

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I hate to seem ignorant here (sometimes it's unavoidable) but what do birthyears (real or fake) have to do with pics of headshots in our personal databases?  Isn't it just a pic of a person's face?  Do we need to complicate it with birth years?  Why is the issue with birth years so important to adding faces to the names in our personal databases?

I'm not trying to be difficult, I'd really like to know...

Like others stated you need BYs to separate people with the same name.

A simple example is Kevin Smith.

The 1963 Kevin is best known as Ares from the Xena and Hercules series.


And the 1970 Kevin is the Director/Actor of films such as Dogma and Clerks.


Having no BY attached to either would result in endless updates of headshots with people wanting one over the other.

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You see, that's just like adding fake birthyears, you would like to use your system - I would like to use mine.

It is obvious that a database cannot be correct without fake birthyears. I tried in the past to propose a standardisation for fake birthyears, and I'm ready to use any standardised system. Mine is 99xx, xx being IMDb number, but I'm ready to change to yours if yours is chosen as the standard.

Well, it could be correct without fake birthyears, if we'd get some kind of cast ID / crew ID - or even better one ID per person. But I'm dreaming.....

The problem I see when adding fake birthyears into HMDB is that you'd either have to blow it up with additional pics (having pics for persons w/out and w/ fake birthyears), so that people using the original online data are still happy, or you'd switch completely.

Adding real names in addition would make it even worse as you may differ people into different names which would have the same name for somebody else.

Renee Miller (1970)*
Renee Miller (????)
Renee Miller (????)
---> you have 2 pics, but have to decide which pic to use for the two without birthyear.

You'd get at worst case:

Renee Miller (1970) -> still Renee Miller-Smith's common name
Renee Miller (9901) -> common name with fake birthyear
Renee Miller (9902) -> common name with fake birthyear
Renee Miller-Smith () -> because Renee Miller (1970) has married and changed her real name
Renee Miller () -> real name without fake birthyear
Renée Miller () -> real name without fake birthyear
---> you have 6 pics and everybody's happy.

Now guess what might happen with Robert Armstrong...

*These are not real data!

also, all fixed til here

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I can understand those who want the duplicates in their databases, but this ship has sailed in my Masterdatabase, as I am removing all duplicates as I notice it or someone posts them here.

I also made the decision to not go with fake birthyears, so that the HS database is compatible to the Invelos rules, in case you contribute a profile

I can understand your reasons, and I respect them. But if I think that is acceptable for a new user who wants to begin a headshots collection, it makes your work useless for many of us. In fact, after downloading V8 and installing it, I confirm what I just wrote : there was quite nothing interesting for me.
Headshots database was one of the  rare places that are not polluted by Invelos rules, that invent non existing actors and ignore existing ones. It is no more the case.

How come there was nothing interesting ?
Tons of new pictures were added, of course if you downloaded all the updates, then there is not much new stuff in a new version

And kd5, a user who got into headshots a week ago seems to be very happy with the database