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Registered: March 18, 2007 | Posts: 426 |
| Posted: | | | | Currently, the voting page hides the other people's votes when you're voting yourself. It would be useful that the other votes are already shown by default, or at least the negative ones with their comments (or at least a selection of them). The reason I would like this is that some people vote Yes because they are not aware of the violations and may in fact have voted No if they had seen what other people voted. A simple example : http://www.invelos.com/Database.aspx?task=evaluate&id=259100&fromtask=pending&fromletter=I This one should obviously be rejected and only contained Negative votes. Yet, now someone who is also french speaking I assume, just voted Yes. So I can only assume he didn't see all the No votes and their comments or otherwise he's just being stubborn. Same with : http://www.invelos.com/Database.aspx?task=evaluate&id=257323&fromtask=pending&fromletter=A where the same guy and a few others also voted Yes while it clearly should be No. |
| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Posts: 300 |
| Posted: | | | | This is exactly the sort of thing that will drive people away from participating in voting. I don't feel we need other users questioning a member's votes. If it should "clearly be one thing or another" then there is no point to the process, there would be no question as to the "correct" choice. This is getting ridiculous in my opinion. It would be better to hide and lock all votes for anonymity and stress voters review the Contribution Notes periodically. This constant sniping and draconian monitoring by some parties is really tiresome. It might ultimately be better to give it over to Ken and Gerri (as though they don't have enough to do) and simply let through more debateable issues such as Cover Scans. |
| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Posts: 426 |
| Posted: | | | | I don't understand where your heat and frustration is coming from. Have you been the victim of countervotes or something ? All I am saying is that sometimes users just vote Yes without even thinking, and when they would first see why there are No votes, they may change their minds and realize that indeed the contribution is erroneous. As for the examples I gave, I can tell you that THAT is very frustrating for Dutch speaking people. It reminds me of the times that I had to correct the X-Files boxsets multiple times because each time updates got through where the Dutch stuff was replaced by French stuff. Is it that hard to look at the Locality and see that Netherlands means that you should not replace all the texts with French versions but rather resubmit it with locality France ? I just assume that that Yes voter even didn't look at the votes and that he thus does not realize that the locality is Netherlands. Before you know it, he will be submitting other changes for less common profiles that would sneak through simply because no Dutch speaking member cared to vote at that time. If he had seen the No votes, he would immediately see that he should simply change his locality to France and resubmit that as a new profile.
I can only assume that you're from somewhere in the world where you don't have to cope with multiple languages in one region. Let me guess... USA? | | | Last edited: by hevanw |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 793 |
| Posted: | | | | In my opinion, the ability to see other people's vote is good, as it allows you to read the comments left by others and maybe spot an error you wouldn't have spotted otherwise.
Where I don't agree with the voting system is forcing people to vote "according to the rules". I see the logic behind, but I think it removes all real usefulness to the votes. The votes could be used to get input from the users on what works and what doesn't. Force people to leave a comment, whether the vote is a YES or a NO, telling why they voted the way they did, then this could be used by the rules comittee to see what the majority wants, and act accordingly. In the long run, I think this would help in creating better rules.
Also, it should be made clear, somewhere, that a YES or NO vote is not the end of the world. I'm getting tired of seeing the bitching and moaning because someone voted yes, or no, on something and that this person agrees or not, and whatnot. | | | Last edited: by RossRoy |
| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Posts: 426 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting RossRoy: Quote: In my opinion, the ability to see other people's vote is good, as it allows you to read the comments left by others and maybe spot an error you wouldn't have spotted otherwise.
That is exactly what I wanted to say in the first place. The problem is that today, if you don't click anywhere else on the evaluation page, you don't see any of the votes. You don't even see if there are any votes, let alone No votes. Yet, the comments with the votes are very useful. So my feature request is simply that the votes are always shown, or at least a subset (to prevent getting huge lists for large regions like the US). |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Repter: Quote: Quoting RossRoy:
Quote: In my opinion, the ability to see other people's vote is good, as it allows you to read the comments left by others and maybe spot an error you wouldn't have spotted otherwise.
That is exactly what I wanted to say in the first place. The problem is that today, if you don't click anywhere else on the evaluation page, you don't see any of the votes. You don't even see if there are any votes, let alone No votes. Yet, the comments with the votes are very useful. So my feature request is simply that the votes are always shown, or at least a subset (to prevent getting huge lists for large regions like the US). Come on, how lazy do you want to get? There is a button on every voting profile screen for "Show/Hide Votes" or text to that effect. It works just fine the way it is. Let's leave well enough alone, eh? | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 Make America Great Again! |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,394 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote: Quoting Repter:
Quote: Quoting RossRoy:
Quote: In my opinion, the ability to see other people's vote is good, as it allows you to read the comments left by others and maybe spot an error you wouldn't have spotted otherwise.
That is exactly what I wanted to say in the first place. The problem is that today, if you don't click anywhere else on the evaluation page, you don't see any of the votes. You don't even see if there are any votes, let alone No votes. Yet, the comments with the votes are very useful. So my feature request is simply that the votes are always shown, or at least a subset (to prevent getting huge lists for large regions like the US).
Come on, how lazy do you want to get? There is a button on every voting profile screen for "Show/Hide Votes" or text to that effect. It works just fine the way it is. Let's leave well enough alone, eh? You tell 'em, John. When I was reading this thread, I wondered what the problem was or if I had some special version of the program that allowed the "Show/Hide Votes" option. | | | Another Ken (not Ken Cole) Badges? We ain't got no badges. We don't need no badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges. DVD Profiler user since June 15, 2001 |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,293 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting kdh1949: Quote: Quoting Rifter:
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Come on, how lazy do you want to get? There is a button on every voting profile screen for "Show/Hide Votes" or text to that effect. It works just fine the way it is. Let's leave well enough alone, eh? You tell 'em, John. When I was reading this thread, I wondered what the problem was or if I had some special version of the program that allowed the "Show/Hide Votes" option. Full agree ment here too; it's a button click away (and FWIW on both my PCs you always get a 'flash' of the votes as the screen loads so you can see if there's a mass of green/mass of red/mix of both even without checking) | | | It is dangerous to be right in matters where established men are wrong |
| Registered: March 18, 2007 | Posts: 426 |
| Posted: | | | | Ok, so if they are not being stubborn and contrary, they must be lazy. So in any case, we can be upset right ? I still wanted to give them the benefit of the doubt. But if you see changes from Dutch into French for a locality Netherlands, where all votes say you should not do that since Netherlands=Dutch and tell them to resubmit with Locality French, it just beats me to that they still vote Yes on this... Oh well... |
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