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As rumors go on the internet:
- Rumours were circulating today that Microsoft is set to dump HD DVD and bring out a Blu ray Xbox 360 by as early as May
- MicroSoft are quoted as saying, there will be no BluRay drive add-on
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I don't know why Sony would allow them to go Blu-ray.  One of the biggest selling points for the PS3 will be the fact that it doubles as a Blu-ray player.  Why would Sony let Microsoft, and the Xbox, cut into that advantage?
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I don't know why Sony would allow them to go Blu-ray.  One of the biggest selling points for the PS3 will be the fact that it doubles as a Blu-ray player.  Why would Sony let Microsoft, and the Xbox, cut into that advantage?


how could Sony stop them if MS decided to make a Blu-Ray drive?
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Overview of license for the rewritable format of "Blu-ray Disc"

2. License Conditions
(1) "Blu-ray Disc Rewritable Format and Logo License Agreement" (FLLA)
- Product categories: (a)Player/Recorder (b)Media (c)Components(d)Manufacturing Equipment and Testers.
- License fee: 1st Category US$30,000, 2nd Category US$20,000, Maximum fee US$60,000 for 3 or more categories.
(2) "Content Protection System Adopters Agreement for Blu-ray Disc Rewritable" (CPSA)
- Product categories: (a)Player/Recorder (b)Media (c)Components.
- Annual administration fee: 1st Category US$12,000, 2nd Category US$8,000, 3rd Category US$4,000
- Copyright Protection Key fee: (a) US$0.10/set (b) US$0.02/media (Fulfillment fee US$500/order)
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I don't know why Sony would allow them to go Blu-ray.  One of the biggest selling points for the PS3 will be the fact that it doubles as a Blu-ray player.  Why would Sony let Microsoft, and the Xbox, cut into that advantage?


how could Sony stop them if MS decided to make a Blu-Ray drive?


Unless I am missing something, Sony is one of the companies that holds the rights to the technology.  Microsoft would have to buy a license to produce the drives.  I don't see Sony allowing them to buy one.
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Unless I am missing something, Sony is one of the companies that holds the rights to the technology.  Microsoft would have to buy a license to produce the drives.  I don't see Sony allowing them to buy one.


I don't know if any of The Nine Blu-ray Disc Founder Companies has a veto right. If Microsoft pays they license: the can do Blu-ray.
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I don't know why Sony would allow them to go Blu-ray.  One of the biggest selling points for the PS3 will be the fact that it doubles as a Blu-ray player.  Why would Sony let Microsoft, and the Xbox, cut into that advantage?


how could Sony stop them if MS decided to make a Blu-Ray drive?


Unless I am missing something, Sony is one of the companies that holds the rights to the technology.  Microsoft would have to buy a license to produce the drives.  I don't see Sony allowing them to buy one.


I understand that they are one of the companies. I don't think that will allow them to prevent Microsoft from obtaining a License if they desired. I'd love to see the court battle that would ensue if Sony tried to deny them a license if they applied. I'm no legal expert and don't know all the wording on obtaining a license, but I somehow doubt they can deny a license because it would cause competition with their product.

Besides, Microsoft doesn't seem to think it will be a problem, because I've read statements from them about a Blu-ray add-on being a possibility if they felt there was consumer desire for it (or something along those lines)
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I understand that they are one of the companies. I don't think that will allow them to prevent Microsoft from obtaining a License if they desired. I'd love to see the court battle that would ensue if Sony tried to deny them a license if they applied. I'm no legal expert and don't know all the wording on obtaining a license, but I somehow doubt they can deny a license because it would cause competition with their product.


While it is possible, I find it hard to believe that Microsoft would win an unfair competition law suit...seeing as how they have been sued for the exact same thing. 

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Besides, Microsoft doesn't seem to think it will be a problem, because I've read statements from them about a Blu-ray add-on being a possibility if they felt there was consumer desire for it (or something along those lines)


Time will tell I guess.  It would certainly save me some money as I already have a 360.
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It would be anti-competetive to disallow any company from making a blu-ray drive if they apply for a licence.
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The Blu-Ray association have already said that Microsoft and Toshiba are welcome to join if they wish.
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Letting Microsoft and especially Toshiba join is like the coup de grace.
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It would be anti-competetive to disallow any company from making a blu-ray drive if they apply for a licence.


Very correct, Erik. Micosoft would win in a summary judgement.

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It would be anti-competetive to disallow any company from making a blu-ray drive if they apply for a licence.


I am not saying it wouldn't be anti-competetive.  I'm just saying that Microsoft would be the wrong company to make that claim.
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It would be anti-competetive to disallow any company from making a blu-ray drive if they apply for a licence.


I am not saying it wouldn't be anti-competetive.  I'm just saying that Microsoft would be the wrong company to make that claim.


why? they're experienced in that department   
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It would be anti-competetive to disallow any company from making a blu-ray drive if they apply for a licence.


I am not saying it wouldn't be anti-competetive.  I'm just saying that Microsoft would be the wrong company to make that claim.


why? they're experienced in that department   


My point exactly. 
No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever.
There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom.
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