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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 31 |
| Posted: | | | | First of all, thanks for the "Country of Origin" field. Great addition. Now we have this, we needs a "Master title" field.
What's that ?
The Master of a movie is the material used as video. I.e. :
Your DVD is called : Last Cannibal World The Original title is : Ultimo mondo cannibale and when you start the movie, you see that the titlescreen show : Jungle Holocaust Your Master (used as video in your DVD) title is : Jungle Holocaust
note : your Master title can be egal to your DVD Title or to your Original Title, but it's an information to have. | | | arcade games database. | | | Last edited: by alexis.bousiges |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 31 |
| Posted: | | | | Time to up this, since the 15th March nobody answered this request.
I really needs this feature and I don't want to put this information in 'Notes'. | | | arcade games database. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Alex:
This seems, to me to be relatively insignificant, out of my collection i can't think of more than MAYBE 6 titles this would apply to.<scratching my head>
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 31 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting skipnet50: Quote: Alex: This seems, to me to be relatively insignificant, out of my collection i can't think of more than MAYBE 6 titles this would apply to.<scratching my head> Skip The reason is that you live in USA 90% of American DVDs use Master Title as DVD Title, and 90% of the time, this DVD Title is also the Original Title... Believe me or not but maybe all "non-american people" may found this feature interesting, for collecting purpose. In France, our "non-French movies DVDs" use French titles, those titles are "differents" than Original Titles, and many times those Original Titles are "differents" than the title on the video inside this DVD. (I.E. : those Italian movies from the golden age of the Italy with an English Master title, an Italian Original Title, and a French-or-others DVD title - Real movies collectors check the Master inside a DVD before buying it : (for the Italian exemple) some are cut (English), some are uncut (Italian), some are good (Italian), some are not (English)).* I own ~800 DVDs (Zone-2-FR) and more than 60% of them need a Master Title. I can put a big list if you want some examples. * Sometimes, it's more complicated than that (always for the Italian movie example) : An English Master can have an Italian soundtrack (!) (DVD distributors use this method to hide the lack of Original Master). For collectors, a DVD with an Original Master (a master title which is egal to the original title) is better than a DVD with a Non-Original Master (a master title which is different than the original title). It's the reason of my request. A database can also helps the buyer to make the good choice. | | | arcade games database. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Alex:
Just color me confused, I am not following you, but I am trying to.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting alexis.bousiges: Quote: Quoting skipnet50:
Quote: Alex: This seems, to me to be relatively insignificant, out of my collection i can't think of more than MAYBE 6 titles this would apply to.<scratching my head> Skip
The reason is that you live in USA 90% of American DVDs use Master Title as DVD Title, and 90% of the time, this DVD Title is also the Original Title...
Believe me or not but maybe all "non-american people" may found this feature interesting, for collecting purpose.
In France, our "non-French movies DVDs" use French titles, those titles are "differents" than Original Titles, and many times those Original Titles are "differents" than the title on the video inside this DVD. (I.E. : those Italian movies from the golden age of the Italy with an English Master title, an Italian Original Title, and a French-or-others DVD title - Real movies collectors check the Master inside a DVD before buying it : (for the Italian exemple) some are cut (English), some are uncut (Italian), some are good (Italian), some are not (English)).*
I own ~800 DVDs (Zone-2-FR) and more than 60% of them need a Master Title. I can put a big list if you want some examples.
* Sometimes, it's more complicated than that (always for the Italian movie example) : An English Master can have an Italian soundtrack (!) (DVD distributors use this method to hide the lack of Original Master). For collectors, a DVD with an Original Master (a master title which is egal to the original title) is better than a DVD with a Non-Original Master (a master title which is different than the original title).
It's the reason of my request. A database can also helps the buyer to make the good choice. Sounds to me like it's a problem your region has created for itself. In any case, use SORT TITLE to do what you are talking about. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 Make America Great Again! |
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Registered: March 29, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,479 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Sounds to me like it's a problem your region has created for itself... Sounds to me that ping pong contributions problems were created in zone 1, anyway everyone everywhere in the world have to cope with those off-putting rules . But when a problem concerns other zones, it must not be considered... | | | Images from movies |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,279 |
| Posted: | | | | I can recall an R1 release with the same problem. So no it's not an R2 specific problem at all.
Adding a field to cope with the credit would remove the idea although not the practice thankfully that to properly enter the DVD in Profiler you have to use the film credit title, that is not shown on the front cover of the DVD & is not the original title of the film from it's native release. | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 |
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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 630 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote:
Sounds to me like it's a problem your region has created for itself.
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In any case, use SORT TITLE to do what you are talking about. I think some people might actually be using the Sort Title field for ... ehh... well... the sort title - stuffing the original master in the Sort Title would give a rather bad alphabetical list. Notice I am not as such talking for the master field (I would not use it myself), just noticing that I do not understand what you are tryinig to say. | | | Regards Lars |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 467 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting lmoelleb: Quote:
Notice I am not as such talking for the master field (I would not use it myself), just noticing that I do not understand what you are tryinig to say. Maybe he just tried to say something even when he has nothing to say about it... It's always the same people that answer anything or nothing interesting... | | | Regards Cyrille |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting alexis.bousiges: Quote: First of all, thanks for the "Country of Origin" field. Great addition. Now we have this, we needs a "Master title" field.
What's that ?
The Master of a movie is the material used as video. I.e. :
Your DVD is called : Last Cannibal World The Original title is : Ultimo mondo cannibale and when you start the movie, you see that the titlescreen show : Jungle Holocaust Your Master (used as video in your DVD) title is : Jungle Holocaust
note : your Master title can be egal to your DVD Title or to your Original Title, but it's an information to have. I can see something like this being useful in theory, but I can't see it working well in practice because there are a lot of films out there with multiple titles and there would be a lot of ping-ponging of profiles as each person thinks their preferred title should be the master title. As a workaround, how about adding the master title to the end of the original title field in your local database (if there's room)? So, to use your example: DVD Title (from the cover) - Last Cannibal World Original Title (from credits) - Jungle Holocaust (Ultimo mondo cannibale) At least then you have all titles in a searchable field. Whether or not these would be allowed in the online database is another matter! |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | North:
I am still scratchhing my head here. But the one flaw I see in what you mentioned is the Rules say to take the tilte from the film credits. Original title is a different issue.
I am not trying to stubborn or obtuse, I just am not following it. But I am trying
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 1,279 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I can see something like this being useful in theory, but I can't see it working well in practice because there are a lot of films out there with multiple titles and there would be a lot of ping-ponging of profiles as each person thinks their preferred title should be the master title.
Yes but what you don't have is those multiple titles in the film credits. So there would not be any ping-pong. It's very simple. DVD Cover = Last Cannibal World - Enter as DVD Profiler title Original Theatrical Release tile = Ultimo modo cannibale - Enter as Original title DVD film credit title = Jungle Holocaust - Enter in new title field As the rules and program stand now this should be entered as DVD Profiler title - Jungle Holocaust Original title = Ultimo modo cannibale With no mention of the actual title people will see when they pick the dvd up of the shelf. This makes little sense. | | | IVS Registered: January 2, 2002 | | | Last edited: by Lithurge |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 2,694 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting surfeur51: Quote: Quoting Rifter:
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Sounds to me like it's a problem your region has created for itself...
Sounds to me that ping pong contributions problems were created in zone 1, anyway everyone everywhere in the world have to cope with those off-putting rules .
But when a problem concerns other zones, it must not be considered... Not at all. There seems to be a penchant everywhere except R1 to rename movies to something other than what it's actual name is. Why can't you just translate it if necessary and leave it at that? Instead, you've got the on screen title, a DVD cover title (usually in some other language and no bearing on the actual title at all), a sort title field, and now you want a master title. Doesn't make sense to me. | | | John
"Extremism in the defense of Liberty is no vice!" Senator Barry Goldwater, 1964 Make America Great Again! |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 813 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Rifter: Quote: Not at all. There seems to be a penchant everywhere except R1 to rename movies to something other than what it's actual name is. Why can't you just translate it if necessary and leave it at that? Instead, you've got the on screen title, a DVD cover title (usually in some other language and no bearing on the actual title at all), a sort title field, and now you want a master title. Doesn't make sense to me. YAY Region 1 aren't you great... if only this were true. But it is not. One example for you - The Star Maker. Original tite is L'Uomo delle Stelle which means The Man of the Stars. Never let the facts... | | | Andy
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Lopek:
What difference does the verbatim translation bring? Do I care...NO. Should I care...I don't know. The Man of the Stars does not seem relevant to me.
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