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Registered: October 6, 2008 | Posts: 1,932 |
| Posted: | | | | I'd like to see nicknames standardized upon upload the way initials are. The rule for nicknames acknowledges single quotes, double quotes and parentheses for nicknames; I'd be fine with any of these as the standard.
While they are not as common as initials, they are just as troublesome when trying to determine common name.
What do you think? |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | As Credited. We can get really carried away with standardizing very quickly and pretty soon our data will look nothing like the film credits, standardization is one of the problems elsewhere and why their data is such a mess.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Of course it is up to Ken... but I personally think the standardizing should stay at a minimum. I can understand the filters for Jr./Sr. and initials... but I don't personally think that the nick name thing is common enough to warrant another standardizing filter. | | | Pete |
| Registered: October 6, 2008 | Posts: 1,932 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote: As Credited. We can get really carried away with standardizing very quickly and pretty soon our data will look nothing like the film credits, standardization is one of the problems elsewhere and why their data is such a mess.
Skip The current filters do not inhibit one from contributing As Credited, nor would the one I proposed. In fact, they (and the proposed would) automate the process of making sure the data looks exactly like the film credits. I also disagree with your dislike of standardization. I think that stylistic choices should be limited so that the data can be better linked. (One man's data is another man's "style." But that is an argument for another day. ) |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Caleb:
I understand your point. But I only deal with REAL data not any sort of imaginary data and from the standpoint of the ONLINE we should deal with REAL data as often as possible, simply to avoid user-interpretation, that should always and only become a local issue. We are all free to set whatever standards we wish for our individual databases and that should remain the exclusive perview of the local users.In short if the ACTUAL credit says 'Joe', so be it, if it says "joe" that's fine, that is why we have the linking system, if you are going to continue standardizing and fictionalizing the data then you eventually limit if not eliminate any kind of linking and the Online database becomes a work of fiction that will vary from Contribution to Ciontribution based on user-preference. We have been there and done that
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: October 6, 2008 | Posts: 1,932 |
| Posted: | | | | Jubal,
You say you understand my point, but you seem to misunderstand the action of the existing filters. Let's go through an entry step by step:
Credit says: Fred B Smith User types: Fred B Smith Upon submission, system converts to: Fred B. Smith [Fred B Smith]
Note that the Credited As is precisely what appeared in the credits. This does not eliminate linking, as you contend, it facilitates it, while exactly reproducing the credit. I don't know why you're opposed.
My proposed filter would work the very same way.
This guy I ran across recently is a near perfect storm: he has a variant first name, a nickname and a sometimes "Jr." (Thankfully, no initials.) I omitted the variations with no hits, but I did check them. This is the situation the filters are intended to help--and they will as time goes on:
"tommy 'tiny' lister" is credited in the following 19 titles (26 profiles): "tommy "tiny" lister" is credited in the following 22 titles (74 profiles): "tommy tiny lister" is credited in the following 6 titles (67 profiles): "tiny lister" is credited in the following 25 titles (44 profiles): "'tiny' lister" is credited in the following 1 titles (1 profiles): ""tiny" lister, jr." is credited in the following 9 titles (24 profiles): ""tiny" lister jr." is credited in the following 4 titles (5 profiles): "tom 'tiny' lister" is credited in the following 1 titles (1 profiles): "tom "tiny" lister" is credited in the following 5 titles (10 profiles): "tom tiny lister jr" is credited in the following 1 titles (2 profiles): "tom 'tiny' lister jr" is credited in the following 1 titles (1 profiles): "tom "tiny" lister, jr." is credited in the following 11 titles (54 profiles): "tom 'tiny' lister, jr." is credited in the following 6 titles (11 profiles): |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Caleb:
I would suggest instead of worrying about standardizing the names, that you concentrate and trying to make sure that the CLT is reporting correctly. This does not include making changes to copies or versions that you do not own as at least one well-meaning user is doing. It is known that both lister jr and 'tiny' are both IMDb style, they can also be As Credited but they are suspicious and should be investigated by users in the area responsible for entering such data and re-verified as CORRECT
Users such as the one well-meaning user are opening a can of worms which will literally take YEARS to fix, and i can guarantee that as many as titles he has corrected that he does not own based onn the ONE that he does, he has entered erroneous data in some titles. On top of the arrogant approach of stating that he has "extensively researched" but refuses to provide sources for his research, it is so because he says it is so and that will ALWAYS be unacceptable.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: October 6, 2008 | Posts: 1,932 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Jubal: Quote: Caleb:
I would suggest instead of worrying about standardizing the names, that you concentrate and trying to make sure that the CLT is reporting correctly. This does not include making changes to copies or versions that you do not own as at least one well-meaning user is doing. It is known that both lister jr and 'tiny' are both IMDb style, they can also be As Credited but they are suspicious and should be investigated by users in the area responsible for entering such data and re-verified as CORRECT... There I agree with you. Correct reporting of actual credits is more valuable than standardization. But standardization helps us deal with the situation as it stands. (I know your opinion varies with mine in this, but I can deal with that. ) I, with my puny collection, cannot change the world single-handed. I'm just trying to make the road a little smoother. I won't comment on your second paragraph except to say that I share the frustration that leads some to want to fix all the profiles, but I agree with the arguments against that course. This in addition to the fact that it runs counter to the stated position of Invelos. It is unfortunate that, as the database is now structured, it is impossible to achieve the level of data integrity that we all (I think) see as ideal. So we slog away and try to make the best of it. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I hear you, there, pal.
Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
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