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Registered: April 3, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,998 |
| Posted: | | | | In the "Video Formats" section you have NTSC & PAL options that are greyed out when it is a Blu-ray (not applicable) Can we have 720p, 1080i and 1080p added to this field. |
| Registered: June 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,208 |
| | Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| Posted: | | | | NTSC and Pal are indeed not applicable. The frame rate may still be different though (50 vs. 60 Hz). |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,197 |
| Posted: | | | | Any non-highdef bonus features are still PAL or NTSC though. | | | First registered: February 15, 2002 |
| Registered: February 23, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,580 |
| Posted: | | | | Personally, I would put two possible fields:
One with the resolution: 1080p or 1080i (I've yet to see a BD with a 720p resolution, so seems a bit redundant)
One with the video codec used: AVC, MPEG2, MPEG4 (H.264) and VC-1
NTSC and PAL are still applicable but only for 480p bonus features and menus. Although not sure if it's worth to profile this. | | | Blu-ray collection DVD collection My Games My Trophies |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,217 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Taro: Quote: One with the resolution: 1080p or 1080i (I've yet to see a BD with a 720p resolution, so seems a bit redundant) Digital Video Essentials: HD Basics All Regions Released: 25.03.2008 Widescreen 1.78:1 has 720p material ... but that and other test-discs really might be the only ones using this resolution right now. That can change though if more HDTV-broadcast, which will be 720p, comes to BD and the pencil-pusher cut the expanses for the upconverting, because BD-Player and/or HDTV-Set can to that. Quote: NTSC and PAL are still applicable but only for 480p bonus features and menus. Although not sure if it's worth to profile this. Really? From my understanding 480p is 480p, not NTSC. cya, Mithi | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki | | | Last edited: by Mithi |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 20,111 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Taro: Quote: One with the resolution: 1080p or 1080i (I've yet to see a BD with a 720p resolution, so seems a bit redundant) I actually pre-ordered a recently released Blu-ray, and then cancelled it after seeing a DVDBeaver review where the transfer was confirmed via two software programs as 720 resolution. An HD resolution field of some kind as suggested by ninehours would be a wise addition to the program. | | | Corey | | | Last edited: by Katatonia |
| Registered: February 23, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,580 |
| Posted: | | | | I stand corrected regarding the 720p issue. I had no idea there were actually Blu-rays with 720p (1080i, yes, but hadn't seen 720p yet). So with that correction, I agree that 720p should be included in the options then. Regarding the NTSC/Pal debate, in some rare cases it is indeed still an issue, unfortunately. Some releases of European blu-rays have 480p bonus material encoded in PAL or even menus in PAL. Menus and bonuses in PAL will not be displayed on region A BD players. Some examples that come to mind: - ZatoichiQuote: Blu-ray disc, courtesy of Artificial Eye, offers a relatively good upgrade over the standard-def version of Zatoichi which fans of the Takeshi Kitano should consider. However, please keep in mind that the main menu of the disc is in PAL. Highly Recommended. - Pan's Labyrinth & 1408: Quote: Though the main feature (movie) has nothing to do with PAL/NTSC there is a possibility of the special features to be PAL/NTSC formatted. For ex, the bonus contents on U.K Pan's Labyrinth and Dutch 1408 was PAL formatted @576i/p or at 50 Hz which didn't play at all on U.S / Japan NTSC only BD players. Granted, these PAL issues are just as rare as the 720p but I think it might be worthwhile to profile it somewhere, so people with a region A player are warned that some parts of the disc won't play on their player. | | | Blu-ray collection DVD collection My Games My Trophies |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,774 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Mithi: Quote:
Really? From my understanding 480p is 480p, not NTSC. NTSC DVDs have 720x480, PAL DVDs have 720x576. So bonus material in 480p has an NTSC-source, a PAL-source should be 576p (but I don't know if this is supported by Blu-Ray-standards). |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 2,217 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Taro: Quote: Regarding the NTSC/Pal debate, in some rare cases it is indeed still an issue, unfortunately. Some releases of European blu-rays have 480p bonus material encoded in PAL or even menus in PAL. Well, that's where my brain freezes If there is material wit 576p at 50Hz that is well within the set of defined HDTV-standards. Did THEY really botched it up AGAIN and such material is really unplayable on US Hardware? Has anyone first hand seen this on a standalone BD-Player with HDMI-link to Full-HDTV-set? Can anyone with a Full-HDTV-set have a look into the technical manual to see what it says about supported formats? Mine clearly says 1080/24p, 1080p, 1080i, 720p, 576p/i, 480p/i and I really, really hope that a US-set would have the same. cya, Mithi PS I know that normal US-TV-sets are to dumb for 50Hz, but we are talking about sets that have enough digital image-processing hardware onboard to run the whole administration of a third-world-country, for crying out loud. | | | Mithi's little XSLT tinkering - the power of XML --- DVD-Profiler Mini-Wiki | | | Last edited: by Mithi |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Mithi: Quote: Quoting Taro:
Quote: One with the resolution: 1080p or 1080i (I've yet to see a BD with a 720p resolution, so seems a bit redundant)
Digital Video Essentials: HD Basics All Regions Released: 25.03.2008 Widescreen 1.78:1 has 720p material ... but that and other test-discs really might be the only ones using this resolution right now. [b]That can change though if more HDTV-broadcast, which will be 720p, comes to BD and the pencil-pusher cut the expanses for the upconverting, because BD-Player and/or HDTV-Set can to that.
Quote: NTSC and PAL are still applicable but only for 480p bonus features and menus. Although not sure if it's worth to profile this[/b]. Really? From my understanding 480p is 480p, not NTSC.
cya, Mithi I anticipate that this may well happen, mithi. Think of what could be packed onto a BD disc in 720P, or even worse in SD. I know some material in HD is simply overkill, I'll take an example of a possibility. I might be proven wrong by Paramount, but at this juncture I don't envision I Love Lucy on BD in Hi-Def, perhaps 720P, but even DVD SD exceeds the original broadcasts. Let's see I Love Lucy was 40 odd Discs on DVD, on a BD disc in SD that could be reduced to what 5 maybe 6 discs. You are also correct about 480 not being NTSC, particularly 480P. The Orinal NTSC standard back in the early days of video was a 525 line interlaced image, each image that the human eye perceived was made up of two interlaced frames. Back in the earliest days of video this caused majopr problems for freeze frame as the heads were reading essentially two frames of data separated in time, in afilm this was not a big deal but in sports, it caused the infamous freeze frame jitter.The way this eventually dealt with when they moved to sophisticated four-head decks was they would read one frame twice and interlace the two. Some of them even interpolated the missing data. Skip Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video | | | Last edited: by Winston Smith |
| Registered: March 19, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,018 |
| | Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
Billy Video |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 485 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Taro: Quote:
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NTSC and PAL are still applicable but only for 480p bonus features and menus. Although not sure if it's worth to profile this. I've seen few disks with HD only extra's, a lot with, basically, the DVD extra's at PAL or NTSC, and some disks with the DVD extra's AND a number of new HD featurettes. Because of this mix and match approach by the studios, I am not sure it's worth the effort to register this in detail in DVDprofiler. Who of us will check every individual featurette/delete scene/music video/... for its resolution and coding system? BTW, especially on region-free BluRay's from France I've seen reviews from the USA (Blu-ray.com) mentioning the extra's are PAL. Especially USA players and TV-sets may not be PAL capable, due to manufacturers apparently trying to save a dime. Playing such disks start on the player, and if the player can upscale it to 720/1080, only then the TV set's capabilities become irrelevant. But if not, you're stuck. If someone uses DVDp as a source in region A to decide to import a region-free disk from another region, it may be worthwhile to have an indication here. After all, we're profiling DVD/BR/HDDVD's here and not movies, are we ? | | | Eric
If it is important, say it. Otherwise, let silence speak. |
| Registered: February 23, 2009 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,580 |
| Posted: | | | | The big issue here is indeed the player and not the TV. I've done tests and here are the results: My player: Japanese PS3 (plays region 2 DVD's and region A BD's) : - PAL DVD (reg 2) => does not play, format unsupported - EU BD (reg free, no PAL) => plays fine - EU BD (reg free, with PAL menu) => video plays but unable to display PAL menu (this was the Zatoichi UK BD borrowed from a friend) My friend has european PS3 (plays region 2 DVD's & region B BD's) : - PAL DVD (reg 2) => plays perfectly, upscalled - EU BD's => all play regardless of PAL imagery or not In short, even when you have the exact same equipment, sometimes brands will take out the PAL suupport for regions that supposedly don't need it. This is an abberration since Japan is in the same DVD region as Europe, but doesn't support PAL in their BD players | | | Blu-ray collection DVD collection My Games My Trophies |
| Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | Yes, they botched this again. Former PAL areas also allow HD at 25 Hz for TV programs that were shot on film. (There is a recent HD Wallace and Grommit set at 25 Hz, for instance.) They should have made it mandatory for players to do framerate conversion. The Oppo is the only one I know of that handles this. |
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