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Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,328 |
| Posted: | | | | We need an option within the cast/crew list for non-linkable names. Once you get past the A and B list actors/crew, it is difficult and often impossible to know whether Joe Blow appearing as man in the crowd in Movie A is the same Joe Blow appearing as bum on the bench in Movie B. Furthermore, if the name Joe Blow is a common name, then you run into having to figure out birth years to differentiate this Joe Blow from some other Joe Blow.
What I'd like to see is an option (checkbox?) when entering cast/crew name to make that cast/crew non-linkable to any other movie. That way we can enter complete cast list without having to invent BY or digging through mountains of internet pages for some obscure bit actors. | | | My Home Theater |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I have to say I disagree with this. Just because it is a B Actor or what have you don't mean it is the only movie I have with that person. Or the only one I will ever have. I definitely wouldn't want the linking to stop working for that actor.
I would much more prefer to have another way to link other then birth year. | | | Pete |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,328 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: I have to say I disagree with this. Just because it is a B Actor or what have you don't mean it is the only movie I have with that person. Or the only one I will ever have. I definitely wouldn't want the linking to stop working for that actor.
I would much more prefer to have another way to link other then birth year. Problem is that for some actors, it is next to impossible to know whether they are the same actor that appeared in another feature or a different actor with the same name. You might say screen shots, but that's impractical for several reasons: Actors of different ages Heavy makeup or prosthetic (how will you ever differentiate one orc from another) Going through screen shots for main characters is one thing, but quite difficult and impractical for someone in the crowd or someone maybe appearing for 2 sec. I would love to profile/input entire cast list for some movies, but with the current system, I can't in good conscience do that for most movies without creating imaginary links. | | | My Home Theater | | | Last edited: by xradman |
| Registered: May 9, 2007 | Posts: 1,536 |
| Posted: | | | | I occasionally use fake birth years (locally of course). Starting with 99.. so as to be immediately recognizable. | | | Hans |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting xradman: Quote: Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote: I have to say I disagree with this. Just because it is a B Actor or what have you don't mean it is the only movie I have with that person. Or the only one I will ever have. I definitely wouldn't want the linking to stop working for that actor.
I would much more prefer to have another way to link other then birth year. Problem is that for some actors, it is next to impossible to know whether they are the same actor that appeared in another feature or a different actor with the same name. You might say screen shots, but that's impractical for several reasons:
Actors of different ages Heavy makeup or prosthetic (how will you ever differentiate one orc from another) Going through screen shots for main characters is one thing, but quite difficult and impractical for someone in the crowd or someone maybe appearing for 2 sec.
I would love to profile/input entire cast list for some movies, but with the current system, I can't in good conscience do that for most movies without creating imaginary links. Well then if I am not sure it isn't the same guy... why would I want the credit not to link? If I am not sure if it is right or wrong... I would rather have it there on the chance it is right then not have it there on the chance it is not right. | | | Pete |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,744 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: Well then if I am not sure it isn't the same guy... why would I want the credit not to link? If I am not sure if it is right or wrong... I would rather have it there on the chance it is right then not have it there on the chance it is not right. I agree. From a practical point of view: If I don't even know the guy and if he's the "bum on the bench" - when would I ever check out in what other movies he might have been? | | | Karsten DVD Collectors Online
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| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote: Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote: Well then if I am not sure it isn't the same guy... why would I want the credit not to link? If I am not sure if it is right or wrong... I would rather have it there on the chance it is right then not have it there on the chance it is not right.
I agree.
From a practical point of view: If I don't even know the guy and if he's the "bum on the bench" - when would I ever check out in what other movies he might have been? This has always been my thought on this issue, I see people making all sorts of arcane links, like some dancer who made an appearance in three films...why does anybody care. I can see, maybe someday if she ever gets a breakout role and starts moving up the ladder in the industry. Like Clint Eastwood's (uncredited) in The Creature from the Black Lagoon, at the time it was a case of who the sam hill is Clint Eastwood, now with the benefit of 50 plus years of movie history it becomes an interesting bit of trivia, or Patty Dukes (uncredited) or was she credited (I don't remember, but either way it is very interesting) role in The 4D Man. My (uncredited) is something I am working on right now, and I am amazed at just how many of these people have one or two films to their credit all (uncredited) and sometimes not even a role. I am left wondering how we would ever be able to verify such data or how it ever made it to where it came from. There are some people, for example, John Larch a well-known character actor had an (uncredited) appearance in HTWWW, without looking I can't tell you what he played but I can tell you he was in the film, I have almost 40 films with him involved, that I want, but OTOH Larry Carr who allegedly made an (uncredited) appearance in Houseboat without a Role and it is the ONLY time he shows up in my listings of rapidly closing on a total of 10,000 titles being tracked between wishlist and owned....why do i care...how would I ever verify he actually appeared and how would I ever be able to separate him from other Larry Carrs who might be in the database.<shrugs> Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: April 17, 2007 | Posts: 1,091 |
| Posted: | | | | I was unable to establish BYs for Elvis from Hot Fuzz and Elvis from My Wrongs #8245-8249 & 117, so I (locally) appended their species in parentheses to their names, and used the "Credited As" feature. Clearly the white swan and the chihuahua, respectively, were played by different 'actors', and I didn't want them linked! I still haven't found headshots for either. I also have two "Goblin" credits in crew, but for some reason they're parsed differently, so for now at least I'm leaving them alone. Sometimes now, with the number of roles listed alongside each actor, it's very tempting to do a click just to see "What else", especially for unknown actors (particularly when their count is high). I don't know if that's argument enough for an additional differentiation to BYs, but along with the John Smith (and myriad other vanilla names) cast and crew, it's an additional argument in its favour. | | | Adelaide Movie Buffs (info on special screenings, contests, bargains, etc. relevant to Adelaideans... and contests/bargains for other Aussies too!) |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting DJ Doena: Quote: Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote: Well then if I am not sure it isn't the same guy... why would I want the credit not to link? If I am not sure if it is right or wrong... I would rather have it there on the chance it is right then not have it there on the chance it is not right.
I agree.
From a practical point of view: If I don't even know the guy and if he's the "bum on the bench" - when would I ever check out in what other movies he might have been? Gotta agree as well...with the furry guy as well as the fuzzy guy...if they aren't even 'D' list actors, why do I care? | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar | | | Last edited: by TheMadMartian |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,480 |
| Posted: | | | | Maybe I'm missing something but... ...if you don't care about D-list actors and they accidentally link (due to same names and unfindable BY's), why do you care? Why do you need a program change to keep them from linking? You can't be prohibited from contributing their name if you can't find a birth year? | | | ...James
"People fake a lot of human interactions, but I feel like I fake them all, and I fake them very well. That’s my burden, I guess." ~ Dexter Morgan |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 4,245 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Addicted2DVD: Quote: I would much more prefer to have another way to link other then birth year. As would I. Now I know we can't use what IMDB uses, Roman Numerals. But there must be something similar we could use when Birth Years can't be found. I don't know, perhaps something like the following. Numbers (1,2,3.....) Letters (A,B,C.....) Combination of letters and numbers (1A, 1B, 1C.... on to 1Z, and then restart with 2A if it goes above 26 - which I doubt) Spelled out numbers (One, Two, Three....) I'm just throwing out an idea. I just dislike having people connected to others when they aren't the same person. I don't know, take for example. 1956 TV Series Michael Smith is credited as an Old Man 2008 Movie a Michael Smith is credited as Young Boy on Street Now for me it just looks silly to have the "same actor" credited as an Old Man in 1956 and a Young Boy in 2008. |
| Registered: March 14, 2007 | Posts: 1,328 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting DJ Doena:
Quote: Quoting Addicted2DVD:
Quote: Well then if I am not sure it isn't the same guy... why would I want the credit not to link? If I am not sure if it is right or wrong... I would rather have it there on the chance it is right then not have it there on the chance it is not right.
I agree.
From a practical point of view: If I don't even know the guy and if he's the "bum on the bench" - when would I ever check out in what other movies he might have been? Gotta agree as well...with the furry guy as well as the fuzzy guy...if they aren't even 'D' list actors, why do I care? Because my C or D level actor may be someone else's B level actor. Because we are OCD enough to debate even smaller minutia than this. Because caring is sharing. | | | My Home Theater |
| Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,656 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting CubbyUps: Quote: Now I know we can't use what IMDB uses, Roman Numerals. This strikes me as an urban legend, as I'm fairly certain IMDB didn't copyright Roman Numerals.* However, even if they did, numbers or letters should be used instead of the current DOB. I'm actually surprised that it hasn't been implemented already, as a system using anything other than DOB is better. *note, apologies if that comes out as snide or attacking, as it's not meant to be. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 13,202 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Alien Redrum: Quote: Quoting CubbyUps:
Quote: Now I know we can't use what IMDB uses, Roman Numerals.
This strikes me as an urban legend, as I'm fairly certain IMDB didn't copyright Roman Numerals.* Not an urban legend, WE can't use IMDb style roman numerals...it's in the rules. Ken, however, can use whatever he wants. | | | No dictator, no invader can hold an imprisoned population by force of arms forever. There is no greater power in the universe than the need for freedom. Against this power, governments and tyrants and armies cannot stand. The Centauri learned this lesson once. We will teach it to them again. Though it take a thousand years, we will be free. - Citizen G'Kar |
| Registered: August 23, 2008 | Reputation: | Posts: 1,656 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting TheMadMartian: Quote: Quoting Alien Redrum:
Quote: Quoting CubbyUps:
Quote: Now I know we can't use what IMDB uses, Roman Numerals.
This strikes me as an urban legend, as I'm fairly certain IMDB didn't copyright Roman Numerals.* Not an urban legend, WE can't use IMDb style roman numerals...it's in the rules. Ken, however, can use whatever he wants. I know about the rules, I'm talking about the software aspect. I've seen claims that Roman Numerals (or even numbers) cannot be used because of lawsuits and such things, and I find it hard to believe is what I'm saying. | | | Reviewer, HorrorTalk.com
"I also refuse to document CLT results and I pay my bills to avoid going to court." - Sam, keeping it real, yo. |
| Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting m.cellophane: Quote: Maybe I'm missing something but... ...if you don't care about D-list actors and they accidentally link (due to same names and unfindable BY's), why do you care? Why do you need a program change to keep them from linking? You can't be prohibited from contributing their name if you can't find a birth year? Because some of us just don't get all worked up over linking, james, and we understand that is by and large a LOCAL issue and decision that has absolutely NO IMPACT on the Online beyond sharing of the information. Am I likely to want to see a list of John Wayne movies that i own...YES, how about mary Smith (hypothetical) who was a faceless dancer in 3 or 4 films....not likely. Skip | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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