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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | Allow users to enter an age for discs that are not rated under a formal rating system. These would be contributable. I don't have all the details worked out, but if it's a version of something that was rated, we would enter an age based on the rated version. If it had a content warning, we'd enter it as 17. If it said something like "suggested for ages XX and up," we would enter the XX. If there's nothing to base an entry on, we'd leave it blank and the prgram would treat it like it treats NR now. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 6,635 |
| Posted: | | | | Why enter an age instead of the actual rating of the version that was rated?
This would be creating a whole new "matrix" that people would have to understand.
If I understand what you are proposing, I don't think I could support it. | | | Hal |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 17,334 |
| Posted: | | | | I wouldn't support anything that don't have Unrated as a rating. Since you see unrated as a raiting on the case I want that in the rating choices. | | | Pete |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | I agree with, pete. But I do ses some real solid rationale in what hal is suggesting. If we have a an NR or Unrated film that is the product of oh let's say a PG-13, then if that is used as the age basis it would save YOU from having to enter all your data, it could still be sharable and Contributable. The downside, if it were a PG-13 that is now rated to NR or Unrated would PG-13 really be approrpiate...?<shrugs> | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting hal9g: Quote: Why enter an age instead of the actual rating of the version that was rated? Because the director's cut of Terminator Salvation, for isntance, isn't rated PG-13 and it would be incorrect (and likely a violation of the MPAA's trademark) to say it was. However, just entering the age 13 is a fairly straightforward way to keep rating data. Unrated would be in the edition field, so it would be reflected there. Separating unrated and not rated is a messy affair and I'd like to get away from it. Unrated is not a realy rating in the sense that it doesn't actually tell you what an appropriate audience is, just implies it has harder content than the original version or than the norm. So instead of Blade Trinty: Unrated with rating of Unrated, you would have Blade Trinity: Unrated, not rated (17). It contains the same infomation and has the potential to do a lot more. And when i say enter something based on the theatrical rating, I don't necessarily mean the same age as the theatrical rating. We could enter the age of the next rating up if it were billed as unrated, for instance. | | | Last edited: by Ace_of_Sevens |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,321 |
| Posted: | | | | I like the idea Ace. How about setting the rating to Unrated and adding a new field called Original Rating or something along those lines. I for one would love to know was the original rating was. It won't give you an exact age range for an Unrated title, but it will come closer than anything else. Because an Unrated PG-13 movie will be a lot tamer in most cases than an Unrated R movie. | | | Get the CSVExport and Database Query plug-ins here. Create fake parent profiles to organize your collection. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: Quoting hal9g:
Quote: Why enter an age instead of the actual rating of the version that was rated?
Because the director's cut of Terminator Salvation, for isntance, isn't rated PG-13 and it would be incorrect (and likely a violation of the MPAA's trademark) to say it was. However, just entering the age 13 is a fairly straightforward way to keep rating data. Unrated would be in the edition field, so it would be reflected there. Separating unrated and not rated is a messy affair and I'd like to get away from it. Unrated is not a realy rating in the sense that it doesn't actually tell you what an appropriate audience is, just implies it has harder content than the original version or than the norm.
So instead of Blade Trinty: Unrated with rating of Unrated, you would have Blade Trinity: Unrated, not rated (17). It contains the same infomation and has the potential to do a lot more.
And when i say enter something based on the theatrical rating, I don't necessarily mean the same age as the theatrical rating. We could enter the age of the next rating up if it were billed as unrated, for instance. Except that means that it hass to be done locally only, Ace, because you are not qualified to determine an age for anyone but yourself. All using the Original Rating as a tie to the Unrated or Not Rated gives people a common foundation that all can related to.. Ratings by Ace is not acceptable. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote: Except that means that it hass to be done locally only, Ace, because you are not qualified to determine an age for anyone but yourself. All using the Original Rating as a tie to the Unrated or Not Rated gives people a common foundation that all can related to.. Ratings by Ace is not acceptable. I'm not talking about each user getting to make up a rating absed on their opinion of the movie and impose it on everybody else. That would be silly. The contents of the age field would be determined purely based on what's on the cover and what rating were assigned by ratings bodies, albeit possibly to a different version of the material. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | That is why I said that what Hal posted has merit, far more than yours. You keep talking about age, age is something that is common place elsewhere but it plays a very small role in the US system. Everyone has used the MPAA system in this country for years and has a basic understanding of it's meaning. So if it's Not Rated derived from an R film, then your Rating would Be Not Rated and the detail could be R. | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote: That is why I said that what Hal posted has merit, far more than yours. You keep talking about age, age is something that is common place elsewhere but it plays a very small role in the US system. Everyone has used the MPAA system in this country for years and has a basic understanding of it's meaning. So if it's Not Rated derived from an R film, then your Rating would Be Not Rated and the detail could be R. Because that would be a violation of the MPAA's trademark on their ratings. You're always worried about IMDB. The MPAA is way more litigous. I suppose if we follwed my suggestion, we could add somethign in the rating description field about the previous rating. Also, this only covers unrated version of rated movies, not the other issues my suggestion covers, like the myriad of publisher rating systems. | | | Last edited: by Ace_of_Sevens |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Ace_of_Sevens: Quote: Quoting Prof. Kingsfield:
Quote: That is why I said that what Hal posted has merit, far more than yours. You keep talking about age, age is something that is common place elsewhere but it plays a very small role in the US system. Everyone has used the MPAA system in this country for years and has a basic understanding of it's meaning. So if it's Not Rated derived from an R film, then your Rating would Be Not Rated and the detail could be R.
Because that would be a violation of the MPAA's trademark on their ratings. You're always worried about IMDB. The MPAA is way more litigous. I suppose if we follwed my suggestion, we could add somethign in the rating description field about the previous rating. Also, this only covers unrated version of rated movies, not the other issues my suggestion covers, like the myriad of publisher rating systems. That was the essence of Hal's suggestion. <shakes head> BTW Ace, I have one hand tied behind my back just to make sure it's fair. WOW! | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: December 10, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 3,004 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting Prof. Kingsfield: Quote: That was the essence of Hal's suggestion. <shakes head> BTW Ace, I have one hand tied behind my back just to make sure it's fair. WOW! Just entering the rating in the text field doesn't give you anything to sort or filter by, so my suggestion of entering an age and a note is considerably different. If the note was worded carefully and only used on movies that have an MPAA rating for some version, it should avoid legal issues. |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Personally I like your idea, but only if it's not contributable. I do like the idea of people being able to apply their own age restriction to unrated or not rated titles, but I see this as a personal preference rather than a finite piece of information. |
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Registered: March 13, 2007 | Posts: 21,610 |
| Posted: | | | | | | | ASSUME NOTHING!!!!!! CBE, MBE, MoA and proud of it. Outta here
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Posts: 1,982 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting northbloke: Quote:
I do like the idea of people being able to apply their own age restriction to unrated or not rated titles, but I see this as a personal preference rather than a finite piece of information. Remember this? |
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Registered: March 15, 2007 | Reputation: | Posts: 5,459 |
| Posted: | | | | Quoting AESP_pres: Quote: Quoting northbloke:
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I do like the idea of people being able to apply their own age restriction to unrated or not rated titles, but I see this as a personal preference rather than a finite piece of information. Remember this?
No, I never saw that - I only saw your one "use parental control" tickbox version. I think that's great - it would work really well. |
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